i love how people try to bully me for being fictionkin like…. ???? bestie i’ve lived through multiple apocalypses a hate anon isn’t gonna do anything to me
Do you think it's possible for a kintype to be also a hearttype? And I was wondering how to figure out a human synpath/hearttype. I had no problem doing so with species, but there are some characters I questioning to be synpaths so...
It’s definitely possible for something to be both a kintype and a hearttype. From what I’ve seen it’s fairly common among draconics and therians.
As for how to figure if something’s a hearttype or synpath… The definition of synpath is a bit more lenient than the definition of hearttype. While a hearttype is usually defined as something you identify with and which is a core part of who you are as a person, a synpath is specifically defined as ‘just’ something you identify with (here’s the coining post).
Here are a few questions that may help you parse your thoughts:
Once you’ve spent some time ruminating on these kinds of questions, I’ve usually found that the answers appear on their own.
Good luck with your questioning!
Our neighbours outside laughing really loud like “Ahuhuhuyk”
My GF: “One of our neighbours gotta be suppressed Goofy Kin or something, seriously”
People are always like “You are only questioning this character again because you rewatched the source” when it’s more like: I started to rewatch the source because I still question the character
Remember that people who seem to change their theriotypes/kintypes/fictotypes aren’t automatically faking. I’ve been in this community since I was 12, my identity has evolved a lot over time and I’ve realised some labels weren’t accurate for me. It was only last year that I finally managed to start getting a decent grasp of my alterhuman identity, before that the main thing I knew for sure was just that I was alterhuman. Even now, I’m still questioning things.
Questioning is a normal and common process, there’s nothing wrong with it. There’s no harm or shame in trying on a label and then realising it isn’t you. Everyone’s experiences are different, and can vary from individual to individual. The only one who has the authority to say whether your identity is right or wrong is yourself. If you fit the definition of something, what does it matter if your alterhuman experiences seem to vary from someone else’s?
I feel like one thing that is barely talked about in this community is liking living a human life. While I don’t identify fully human, there are still human aspects about me, my physical body aside. Maybe because I also have human fictotypes.
And while I sometimes would love to just be a polar fox curled up in a pile of snow and listen to the sound of waterfalls, I also like being able to read and draw, I like being able to talk to so many and different people from all over the world, to see and learn about so many cultures and lives and these are all things I could never have done as a polar fox. I find comfort in my non humanity, but I also find comfort in my humanity.
What's a kff? Why does kinnie have a negative connotation now?
Oh, buckle up, this one’s a bit of a doozy!
KFF is short for “kin-for-fun,” and either “KFF people” or “KFFers” are thus the people who claim to be “kinning for fun” - in other words, misusing “kin” to mean roleplaying as, projecting onto, strongly relating to, and/or just really really liking their “kins” (as opposed to what ‘kin actually means, which is being nonhuman/fictional). In particular, when used more scathingly, it’s often used to refer specifically to people who have been approached by 'kin folks trying to explain that that’s not what 'kin means and it shouldn’t be used that way, and who continue to use it anyway, often while claiming that actual otherkin/fictionkin are “crazy,” “delusional,” “taking it too seriously,” and my personal favorite (/s), “otherkin are ruining kinning.”
Kinnie has always had a negative connotation, even though some parts of the community have chosen to use it for themselves. It originated from antikin as an insult - many claim that it came from the t-slur, but neither I nor anyone I know have been able to hunt up any actual evidence of that, so it’s equally likely they just happen to sound similar because they’re both diminutives used in a derogatory way; either way, many are uncomfortable with “kinnie” because of the similarity.
These days, it’s not terribly unusual to see legitimate 'kin calling themselves “kinnies,” but it’s far more common to see that language used by KFF people - to the point where some people use “kinnies” and “KFF people” as synonymous (I tend to gravitate toward the latter just because it’s more accurate and because I know legitimate 'kin folk who use the term “kinnie” for themselves). Usually when you see someone using “kinnie” in a derogatory way who’s otherkin themself, that’s what they’re using it to mean.
(And as a bonus, while I won’t say outright that you shouldn’t use “kinnie” for yourself if you like it*, I will warn that a large chunk of the otherkin community will side-eye you if you call yourself an “[x] kinnie” instead of “[x]kin” and consider it a red flag for being KFF, though usually not to the point of not being willing to see past it if you show no other red flags for that. It’s just something you’re going to have to deal with if you want to use that language, because of its history both past and current.)
* I will, however, outright say - please don’t use “kin” as a verb (ie “kinning”), even if you’re using it to mean identity and not KFF stuff. I care far more about using “kin” as a verb than I do about “kinnie”; “kinnie” is just vaguely insulting and has a bad history, “kin” as a verb actually carries serious potential to perpetuate misunderstanding of what otherkinity is by making it sound like otherkin is something you do, rather than something you are - which sounds like nitpicking, except I’ve seen that confusion happen because of that language being used firsthand time and time again.
aaalright so im kiiiiiind of confused about this and just wanted to ask if its normal or if theres a reason for this and such
the thing is this: im kin with rainbow dash from my little pony equestria girls. ive known this for a prettttty long while but i actually never watched the first equestria girls movie
today i watched it with a friend and it was super weird cause like it was all familiar??? i never watched the movie but it felt like i knew all this and just forgot but at the same time i know its new for sure,, and i could(and sometimes subconsciously did) say rainbow dashes lines at the same time as in the movie??? it was super surreal
so yeah basically, is that normal?????????
Maybe not to that extent, but I’ve heard it’s fairly common among spiritual fictionkin to feel like everything in their source is familiar or “just know” what’s going to happen! Knowing Rainbow Dash’s lines doesn’t sound like a very common experience but it’s definitely not a bad thing or something.
When you think it can’t get worse…
1. name a fact about urself from ur canon
2. share any songs that remind u of ur canon
3. how long have u ided as ur main kin?
4. what’s ur fave kin memory?
5. which characters from ur canon were u close to?
6. name something from ur canon u didn’t/don’t like
7. name something from ur canon u like
8. if u could meet anyone from ur canon now, who would it be?
9. does the most popular ship in the fandom reflect ur relationships?
10. what’s something sad that happened in ur canon?
11. what do u miss most from ur canon?
I talk a lot about how I’ve been nonhuman since as long as I can remember and how I choose to believe it’s multiverse + other lives in origin (for myself)
So I feel the need to say I 100% support alterhumans/otherkin who believe or know that their kintypes are psychological.
I support alterhumans that became alterhuman, however and whenever. Voluntarily. Involuntary. Quoiluntary.
Honestly I support everything, as long as they’re sincere and not harming anyone. Identity and experiences can be extremely varied and it sucks to not have anyone listen in good faith. To be questioned and disbelieved and have everyone’s first reaction to be denial and invalidation.
(kff are not harmless or sincere btw)
I wish people would be more willing to accept that confirming kintypes and such can take a fucking long time and that there is no need to be right immediately. It’s preached everywhere but the sentiment hanging around in the air is still different. It’s another atmosphere.
I have this blog for almost 5 years now and since then I have my little “kinlist” which is basically just for me taking record about my identity, therefor it will change a lot. Things I was wrong about will be deleted or maybe written into another category, because sometimes it just is like that. I basically write everything down that I have the slightes suspicion to be something. Therefor it’s quite long, but even then it’s not only about kin- or fictotypes, it’s also about hearttypes, copinglinks, empeiriatypes and such.
But because of the lengths of that list, despite the nature of it, I sometimes start to wonder “Am I just faking?” - logically speaking it would make no sense for someone who ist just faking to be dedicated to a blog for 5 years and also coin their own term for something. But I still wonder sometimes, because of that sentiment:
You shouldn’t change your types (I was questioning them and realized I was wrong, I didn’t “change” a type or dropped it). You can’t have so many types (but most of these are not “confirmed” or anything in the slightes, it’s not that I actually DO have 20+ kintypes)
Like, I get where it comes from. Seeing all these KFFs having lists miles long containing basically every character/thing they ever liked in their whole life and then being like “Oh yeah, it’s just what I relate too” and also the fact that it’s probably hard to imagine that there is someone who actually identifies AS more than 20 different beings/characters…
But it’s still making me anxious to know that there will be people who’ll question me just for a “longer kinlist” even though it’s a different situation entirely
I don’t even know if there is any solution to this situation, it’s just something that bugs me
Since we all seem to be making posts about this recently, let the record show - my opinion on the subject essentially boils down to “the origin of a kintype doesn’t matter when determining whether it’s a kintype or something else.”
We don’t have different words for kintypes that came from misplaced souls vs past lives vs unconscious imprinting vs psychological quirks vs whatever. Because there’s nothing about the origin of, or explanation for, one’s otherkinity in the definition of otherkin. What matters is current experience - a (generally) involuntary nonhuman identity, partial or whole.
Maybe your kintype originated as a linktype. Maybe you’re not sure how much choice was involved in the original formation of the identity. If it’s involuntary now - if you couldn’t drop it even if you tried, if it’s not something you’re choosing to be - it fits the definition of otherkin. If we don’t disallow people for any other origin of a kintype, why should we draw the line at this one? And it’s certainly not a linktype anymore if it’s become involuntary - so what else would you call it, exactly?
Yes, people whose kintypes originated as linktypes are probably going to have a somewhat different experience of their otherkinity than people whose kintypes have always been involuntary. No one is arguing against that. But people whose kintypes come from past lives have a different experience of their otherkinity than people whose kintypes are a psychological “quirk.” And people whose kintypes come from misplaced souls have a different experience from both of them. And people whose kintypes come from unconscious imprinting when they were young have a different experience from them. There has always been, and will always be, a certain range of experiences within the otherkin community - no two otherkin are exactly alike, and there is no one “right” way to be otherkin. But if you fall within the definition - if it’s an involuntary nonhuman identity, partial or whole - you probably have more similarities with the rest of us than differences. And if that’s the case, I see no logical reason to exclude you.
Exotrauma: Trauma that did not happen to the physical body in this world. For example: trauma from past lives (including kintypes and soulbonds) or trauma that headmates experience from pseudomemories. There’s a lot of different ways one can have exotrauma, but the main definition is that it did not happen to your body in this world.
People that have exotrauma are suffering, but they know that their situation is different than the situations of trauma survivors in this world. They don’t want to invade spaces that they know they don’t belong in.
So they created a new word, “exotrauma”, a word to give them a community, separate from this-world trauma, for them. They created their own spaces and their own resources, because they needed them.
….So what gives people the right to invade their spaces to tell them they’re “taking voices away from real trauma survivors”?
They made their OWN spaces, not relating to yours. They made their OWN resources, not relating to yours. They are not taking ANYTHING from you. They are just trying to get through each day the same as you are.
It’s fine if you don’t believe they’re really dealing with any problems, it’s fine if you think they’re all crazy, it’s fine if you think they’re just a bunch of kids roleplaying. Whatever you think, we’re not telling you not to think that.
We’re just asking that you leave us and the things we make for ourselves alone. Despite what you think, we’re not doing anything to you, we’re existing completely separately from you. The general public doesn’t know what “exotrauma” is, the general public isn’t going to look at real trauma as a joke because “exotrauma” exists. You don’t have the right to hurt people. If you don’t like us, it is very easy to ignore the very few, small exotrauma things that do exist.
so which kin terms are bad and which are okay to use?
The waters have been muddied, but here’s the basics.
Kins (noun) and Kinning (verb) are terms used by wishkin/kin-for-fun people.
“kin/s” as a noun is not a useful term because it implies a separation between you and your kintype. Something you have, rather than something you are.
“kinning/to kin” as a verb is not a useful term because it implies voluntary action. That being fictionkin is something you do rather than something you are.
The better way to phrase what you’re trying to say is to use:
as in “My kintypes are…” rather than “my kins are…”)
as in “I’m in a heavy Sabretooth shift right now” rather than “I’m kinning Sabretooth hard right now.”
People need to learn that non humanity is not some sort of excluvie club. There is no declaration of membership you have to fill for it to be a part of it. There are no obligations or anything.
The only thing for someone to count as non human is if they themselve decide they feel non human. The end.