the idea of bacchanals and revenge and blood and sisterhood and analyzing literature while drinking some baileys and losing a little bit of control while we reenact Shakespeare and showing our outfits to the ghost of Oscar Wilde and believing Donna Tartt would absolutely adore us and just autumn
“hey ame! not sure if you’ve gotten any messages about this, but someone’s reposted one of your stories on ao3 with minor edits. if you gave them permission, then you can disregard this, but they didn’t give you credit or anything. just thought i’d give you a heads up! https://archiveofourown.org/works/33949603 ”
No I have NOT given ANYONE permission to report, edit, reused, or do anything with my fics. Especially the rainy day ones because they were PERSONAL (I used them to cope with the storms here) So I need Advice on how to ask them to take down that post :(
The only way for me to have my fics on Ao3 is if I post it under MY Ao3 account (Red_Prince22)
Idk how to go about contacting them but if all else fails, I think going to AO3 directly could be a possibility. I really don’t know how the report abuse section on AO3 works but from their wording it looks like there’s a possible way to report stolen works? Idk if the breaching terms of service would suffice or if you would have to do the DMCA route which seems messy but it could work if the person refuses to take it down
Oh yeah! I can try that if they dont respond in a few days :)
Idk, I’m kinda worried if I’m gaslighting myself or whatever, if you’ve read the two fics, is it plagiarized? :( It’s similar but they put an effort to change some parts with their own writing–
IDK :(((( can someone look at it objectively?
oh jesus, that’s so fucked. i promise you’re not gaslighting yourself but i can check both for you if it’ll help <3
yes huhu please check the links if it’s valid to call it plagiarism huhu
so sorry this has happened to you! It’s literally my (and most other writers) worst nightmare😩
I had a quick read of both stories and you’re completely valid in asking them to take it down. At first I wasn’t sure, but the middle section with the use of heartbeat and the almost word for word dialogue is definite grounds for plagiarism.
If the account owner doesn’t respond I think the abuse form (as others have suggested) is the next step. I hope you can get it resolved <3
What I love the most about Young Royals is how none of the characters are purely good or purely bad. They are all fucked up in some way if you think about it. Simon is stealing drugs, Wilhelm gets an innocent boy expelled, Sara keeps secrets she shouldn’t keep, August… well, he’s just being August. The show gives you a lot to think about, what’s morally right and what isn’t and who to root for and gosh, I just love it.
Virginia Woolfe was Julia Margaret Cameron’s neice. The entirety of the 19th century literary, theater, and art scene was a tangled knot only solvable by the sword of historical hyperfixation and how much these dead guys liked to talk.
okay so after the desk set scene, neil like quickly and quietly meets with the other guys and plans like a very small little thing for todd’s birthday (nothing big because he knows todd wouldn’t like anything big) and they all love the idea
so neil later tells todd that there is a last minute dead poets society meeting planned and that he should really come, and he agrees to go. neil also explains that the guys are already there and they’ll just show up a bit late
so later when todd gets to the cave, he’s met with the guys all surprising him and there’s a stack of random snacks in the middle (including half a roll) and then they all go around reading walt whitman poems for todd and todd is very very happy and so is neil
people really just read books like “no thoughts head empty 🤪”
between white women on tiktok saying they only read books for the romance and people on tumblr forcibly applying ao3 tropes to narratives i’m beginning to think maybe you all should’ve paid more attention in 10th grade english class
I was talking to this girl on hinge and we got onto the topic of books (i work in a bookshop), and she asked me if i had any favourite tropes to read? And for the life of me i couldn’t figure out how to respond? Like Ms, i dont read fanfic, i dont understand what youre asking. I dont think ‘tropes’ can be used interchangeably with 'genre’. We dont have a section at work for shit like 'enemies to lovers’ im sorry thats not how real literature works
I thought this post was gonna go somewhere relevant and interesting for a full second, but I guess not. Tropes are older than dirt. The idea of a trope has existed as long as humans have been making things, and it’s not empty-brained to ask what tropes someone might enjoy reading. For example, someone could answer: haunted houses. rivalries that span decades. tales of revenge. generational family dramas. coming of age stories. stuck in a snowstorm with a killer. The word trope is just a way people currently talk and think about concepts in literature that we’ve been thinking and talking about for ever. It just adds a layer of specificity. If you can’t comprehend someone asking you what tropes you like to read, you might not totally understand what a trope is, and that doesn’t make the other person dumb.
What I was hoping this post might touch on is how people cling to book reading as a hobby that will make them automatically smarter or more superior than those who aren’t, no matter how little mental engagement they actually put into reading. There are people who shit on novels like Things Fall Apart, The Jungle, and Invisible Man for not being “entertaining enough.” There are people who base their entire personality on being an avid reader who chose to never think critically or challenge themselves. There are people who think reading makes you more empathetic by default, when in reality anyone, even terrible people, can project themselves onto the hero if they can’t think critically about their own life and choices.
People can just be into romances, that isn’t inherently stupid. Nor are knowing what tropes they enjoy. That’s just how some people engage with books, and we shouldn’t be looking down at people for that. I have way more issue with the white goodreads users who rate Things Fall Apart as two stars and start their review “I guess I’m racist for not liking this.” I too am annoyed at the failure of public education, and I too was flabbergasted when someone on reddit asked “what’s the point of comparing two very different books to each other” when I pointed out that American Psycho kinda has Lovecraftian themes. But you’re falling off the mark here, to go on about how you hate tropes because they can also be applied to fanfiction tags. 🙄 This attitude is how people start calling themselves sapiosexual.
“That’s not how real literature works”
If you think “real literature” doesn’t “work” that way, you’re not thinking substantially about literature, neither in individual instances nor in the broader scheme.
What do you think a tragic hero is? What do you think a quest narrative is? How do you think we can conceive of Seven Basic Plots? What do you think Comedy and Tragedy are? Do you think the Aeneid popped out of nowhere without referencing any of the patterns of Greek epics that made it compelling to its audience? Do you think Shakespeare was popular because his plays were “original” ideas with storylines that would have been surprising to his audience? Do you think fairy tales sprung out of the air as discrete individual units? Do you think no one has ever written anything that follows the patterns of Greek epics, Shakespeare, or fairy tales intentionally? Do you think “literature” contains no works that intentionally evoke an existing pattern in their plots and characters?
“Genre” as bookshops use it is not somehow superior to “tropes.” Fantasy, Westerns, Paranormal Romances, those categories are like, less than one or two centuries old and also damn near useless for anything except marketing. Genre is a hot fucking mess and pretty artificial. Tropes on the other hand? Those have always existed. They are, quite literally, inherent and natural parts of stories.
What “genre” is the Epic of Gilgamesh? What “genre” is the Odyssey? Fantasy? Do you think it is in any way appropriate to “genre” these stories using categories that would have been nonsense to their ancient audiences? What the fuck is fantasy?
Over and over again, we have told stories about heroes destroyed by their hubris, about mortals struggling against the inevitability of death, about the antics of trickster deities, about clever young boys outwitting giants and other malicious characters, about young girls swept into royalty, about brothers in conflict with one another, and the ability to identify these patterns and explore why they have persisted is…basically what literary and folklore studies is.
Just because you consider fanfic or romance to be “lesser” doesn’t mean they can’t be analyzed, or that the mechanical components of those things don’t exist in Real Literature. 10th grade English class clearly didn’t do any good for the people that did pay attention, if people are growing up thinking tropes were invented on fanfiction websites.
And it’s just a depressing point of view to be so preoccupied with how people “should” tell stories that how people do tell stories is not even interesting.
All of the above is A+ but I’ll add one more thing: do you know what I just finished filling out for my publisher? Of the book that will be in bookstores next year? Paperwork listing the genre and…the tropes. For marketing and sales purposes. This is standard procedure. It’s how my book will be marketed online upon release. It’s how my book will end up on suggested title lists. It’s how Amazon’s algorithm knows that such-and-such book is the bestseller in two niche categories and 20th in a broader category as well as 56th overall in YA titles. So aside from the fact that “tropes” have existed far longer than “genre” as folks have stated above, the people/companies who make “real literature” right now literally require authors to provide lists of tropes included in the novel at the front end of the publishing process.
So if you’re working in a book store and don’t think tropes exist outside of fic, that’s a self-own so devastating I’m getting secondhand embarrassment right now.
Shakespeare very obviously has favourite tropes! And calling them that is not some Tumblrised, ahistorical, read-too-much-fanfic thing, that’s what they’ve always been called, and you can take it from me, with my BA and Masters in English literature, the latter specialising in Renaissance Tragedy, from Oxford Fucking University. They’re not so much “enemies to lovers” (Much Ado About Nothing notwithstanding) they’re “girl dressed as boy flirts with boy, causing misunderstandings” and “twins don’t know about each other, causing misunderstandings” and “scheming asshole sets up innocent characters to have an apparently incriminating encounter, causing misunderstandings.” Also “sex blackmail” and “play within a play”, but everyone with a quill at the time fucking loved both of those.
I used to be a regular on TvTropes. I contributed “The Ophelia” because “character goes insane, but in an aesthetic way, does a lot of singing”, and parodies thereof was a whole thing at the time and remained a thing for centuries. The Victorians were all over it. It still pops up occasionally. Oh my God have you even heard of “the bed trick”? Have you read any Boccaccio at all? Please don’t make me talk about Foucault because I mainly left academia so I wouldn’t have to do that.
Do you even get that “trope” comes from the Ancient Greek “tropos” meaning “turn”? Tropes aren’t even specific to fiction, there are rhetorical tropes. Theological tropes. Fanfic sort of has its own tropes, although many of them are derived from other media, some of them newish, some of them ancient. Individual tropes rise and fall, tropes themselves are inescapable. There’s literally a philosophical theory that everything is tropes.
Imagine sneering at someone for knowing more about them than you.
Also this is a classic example of someone using “white women” because they know they’d get in trouble if they just said “women” which is what they actually mean – and actually being racist in addition to misogynistic as a result. What. You think romance is of no interest or importance to women of colour? Do you realise that detaching women of colour from classically feminine things in general and romance in particular is a whole, shitty, trope?
#I reblog a different version of this post every week I swear #and I will continue to do so until people understand that tropes are very real and very relevant to literature #it’s not fanfiction taking over and it’s not a mark of stupidity #if anything criticising someone for tropes is a sign of a superiority complex in the person who knows nothing about the topic #they just want to call people stupid for liking things #tropes#literature
one of my favorite things about katniss especially in the first book is that she is literally ALWAYS scheming. and like it’s a great character trait honestly because she’s super observant and aware of how she is being perceived, but it’s also fucking hilarious because she constantly assumes that everyone around her is the same way. like when peeta is crying after being selected and she’s like “hm. what could this strategy mean? is he possibly trying to look weak to trick me? won’t work on me you chiseled beast” LIKE KATNISS HES JUST SAD
You’re not wrong, but for Katniss, allowing herself to feel was a luxury, thinking about herself was a luxury, and to her, letting other people know you have any kind of luxury was a risk. She literally could not imagine risking anything, including a display of feelings, without there being a reasonable payoff.
“Whenever we study history, they always teach us about the wars! The war’s this–and the war’s that– but there’s so much more to history than that. It’s important to learn what has defined us as humans, and the wars have never defined us. They have only separated us.”
Matthew, flipping through family scrapbooks with a new friend: yeah so this is my dead dad who’s not my dad and my dead mom who wasn’t real, just like me, and my brother Declan and his girlfriend Jordan who also isn’t real, just like me, and her sister Hennessy who is real but is bad at it, and my other brother Ronan, who’s my dad, and his boyfriend Adam who’s a witch, and Ronan’s other son Bryde who’s older than all of us, and my sisters Opal the satyr and Chainsaw who’s a raven :)
He wears a brown suit instead of the Welton uniform, yet he wears the Welton tie (or at least one closely resembling it). This highlights his position as the new kid - the odd one out - while the tie provides a hint of similarity and future belonging.
When he does wear uniform, Todd obeys the dress code and leaves only his blazer undone. However, he is mostly dressed in layers and does not remove his blazer. This preference for the ability to hide his body is perhaps a visual manifestation of his anxiety. There is only one exception (other than grief), the flying desk set scene, where Todd’s emotional disarray alongside his vulnerability is reflected in his more stripped down, messy and under-dressed state.
He is seen zooming through the corridor and stopping to greet Neil on his whirlwind social tour. Pure, untameable chaos and its hard to see the state of his uniform. There is a similar scene later on as he runs down to dinner with his shirt untucked and blazer half-way down his arms. He complies with uniform codes seemingly just as often as he break them, much like his attitude towards most school rules.
His uniform is worn in perfect adherence to the dress code with his watch and badges on display. His study group conversation, combined with the significant number of badges, suggests that his friendship with Neil initially developed over academics.
Cameron’s absence from the gathering highlights his position on the fringes of the friendship group.
Throughout the film, Cameron is shown to obey common uniform rules such as wearing his blazer around school grounds. He only removes his blazer in class. This contrast shows a level of comfort within the traditionally structured learning environment.
Neil, Charlie, Knox, and Meeks
These boys represent a sliding scale of conformity in this introductory scene through their uniform.
Neil and Charlie’s difference to the uniform of the other boys marks them for a more distinct path.
Unlike the others, Meeks is introduced with perfect uniform much like Cameron, but his presence (and acceptance into the group) for the alternative four pillars suggests a level of quiet rebellion beneath his image of conformity.
With six badges, Meeks bridges the gap between Neil (the overachiever), and the group average of five badges. This middle-ground is reflected in the consistency of both his uniform (which remains unchanged throughout the film) and his sustained behaviour of secret rule-breaking (radio free america).
Initially, he seems like the archetype of the overachieving (several badges) yet popular (converses happily with many) student. He appears in almost perfect uniform with only his blazer left undone to separate him in the eyes of audience from the more stereotypically nerdy students.
Unlike Meeks, Neil’s uniform changes throughout the film. As the school day unfolds uniform becomes more relaxed. His blazer, rather than being purely undone, is often removed. And in the first English lesson where the students are exhausted, Neil is without a blazer or jumper in one of his most minimal looks. It is also a moment of vulnerability and foreshadowing with the close-up of his stricken face at the mention of death.
This variation in garment layers can possibly be linked to stress or tiredness, therefore working as a visible deconstruction of Neil’s projected image of excellence. His uniform is potentially a sign of the variation in his mental and emotional well-being. This is consolidated by the scene at the Perry house where Neil systematically removes his shirt and crown while at his breaking point.
Generally, Neil is positioned as the second most visually rebellious, only one step above Charlie in uniform standards.
The exception to this trend occurs during the flying desk set scene. Here, Todd is underdressed while Neil is composed and wearing layers including a coat. This switch in costuming techniques emphasises Todd’s vulnerability, and highlights Neil as a good influence since he is clear-headed enough to dress appropriately for the colder weather.
“You’ve just illustrated the point,” Keating tells Charlie after he exercises the right not to walk, “swim against the stream.” And swimming against the stream describes Charlie’s approach to school uniform.
From his first appearance in Neil’s room, Charlie consistently wears his tie loose and his top button undone. He is often seen with his blazer, or both his blazer and jumper off, leaving him in either the least layers of the group, or with the most below standard uniform.
i saw someone claim the tie thing is because of a choking kink. one of you is going to suggest it, so i’m jumping in to say that’s not this conversation
While Knox is happy to leave his blazer undone or make himself comfortable in class by ditching his blazer altogether, he never joins Charlie in violating dress codes during class.
After the Danburry dinner, Knox is at his messiest. He walks into the common room with his blazer thrown over his shoulder, his sleeve buttons and top button undone, and a loosened tie. It serves as a mirror of his self-declared internal state of ‘tragedy’ over Chris.
I made another post speculating on the badges which has a lot of discussion in the notes but:
Looking in more detail, I realised that at 0:02:59 it’s clear that while Neil has seven badges, many other older boys only have one. So, either the costume department was running low, or the dead poets are a group of nerds.
Much like their students, the teachers appear to follow a standard (perhaps unwritten) of dress.
In the famous mashed-potato scene, the camera zooms out to show the staff table, and most are wearing black, grey, or brown suits. Keating wears green corduroy, signifying his own non-conformity to the expectations of Welton.
Keating’s metaphorical walk along a knife’s edge as teacher is clear in his costuming. In the montage of English lessons, Keating often wears elements of Welton approved clothing, such as a brown suit, mixed in with more unconventional items like his purple shirt, blue patterned tie, or the cosy jumper and beige trousers outfit that I examine the significance of in part three.
Only Todd remains fully clothed in this scene to emphasise his lacking confidence through his avoidance of being seen in a vulnerable state of undress. Again, the wearing of more layers symbolises anxiety.
In the following scene, Todd is alone in his room with damp hair and a towel slung around his neck. The lamp being on suggests the approach of evening, and these details combine to indicate that he waited until the changing rooms were empty to shower.
This scene and costume choice along with his preference for wearing layers is the source of many trans Todd headcanons.
Poetry-ball with Coach Keating
Mr Keating is dressed like a British farmer. I don’t know what to do with this. He even has the flat cap. Sir, is teaching boys like herding livestock?
Anyway, Meeks and Pitts are showing off their duo status in almost matching outfits. Their minds are on the same wavelength; a perfect team.
Once again, Todd wears a substantial amount of material with that extra cosy hoodie to put distance between himself and being perceived (or to hide a binder if you headcanon trans Todd). Plus, no one else has the option of a hood to pull up and hide their face in.
In this scene, Todd stands apart from the other dead poets which highlights Neil’s absence. The fact that this costume covers more skin than those worn in any other sports related scene is significant, it implies a need for more protection from the outer-world without Neil to help him navigate it.
Charlie wears his rowing outfit - backwards jumper included as a mark of both his refusal to conform, and his internalisation of Keating’s lesson to look at things in a different way. In the close-up shot the label stitched into the back of the garment is visible through the material on his front. Perhaps the deleted scene where the boys eat left-handed for a new perspective inspired Charlie to wear his clothes backwards.
Knox is dressed somewhere in-between his friends. He wears a similar outfit to Pitts, but his shorts cut-off awkwardly above the knee like he’s taken scissors to full-length sweatpants. I get the impression that he isn’t very sporty beyond soccer.
Neil’s absence can be explained by his audition. I couldn’t spot Cameron so perhaps he was at a club or tutoring, or maybe just away from the others in the back?
Game day with Coach Keating
In this more traditional game, all of the boys are in matching black shorts and red sweaters with a white 'W’ on the front. The exception is Charlie, he remains unique in a red and white striped shirt as goalkeeper.
Keating’s favouritism is obvious in the costumes as all the dead poets (plus Stick) are on the same team. Since Stick is also present at the dead poets lunch table (and is perhaps Knox’s roommate), I can believe he had some idea about their activities. If not the cave, he likely knew about their habit of doing things in new ways. Putting these more familiar students on the same team indicates they work well together towards a common goal (literally in terms of the game, and figuratively in terms of having more open minds).
The opposing teams is marked by yellow bibs. At my school, these general sports bibs always smelled of wet grass and sweat so students didn’t want to wear them. I am willing to speculate that these students unknown to the audience are those less willing to accept poetry and independent thought.
Pitts has three badges! Our boy’s “grades are hurting” but that hurt is likely relative to his group of high-achieving, honor students.
Three keeps the group average at five, highlighting the sheer achievement of Cameron and Neil (who must have incredible work ethics), and further differentiating the dead poets from most other students who only have one badge.
There’s more interest in this topic than I imagined so everything that I couldn’t fit into the last three posts will be included in a Part Four on Cultural Aesthetics and the Struggle for Individuality. I’m hoping to get it up soon!
So it’s finally confirmed; all our boys have em (sans todd for now)
They are nerds/model students confirmed!!
What does this mean? The movie is showing us that even the best and brightest students yearn for freedom and living their best lives. No matter how much they grew up repressed or told to think a certain way, it is innate that young boys still want to do something about their lives. At the end, our nerds Carpe Diem-ed.
And also, the fact Cameron had the MOST medals and was the one who finked on the group is self explanatory, because he’s neck deep in the illusion/system presented onto him ;u; ok bye