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The granddaddy of them all, the clash of the titans.
What every MBTI website tells you
- The ESTJ has a cognitive stack of Te-Si-Ne-Fi, Si is second, Ne is third
- The ENTJ has a cognitive stack of Te-Ni-Se-Fi, Ni is second and Se is third
What that actually means
- ESTJs (Te-Si) will judge (Te) before they reference (Si): “These are the facts I’ve observed about our problem. From my memory, experience, and comparison of similar situations this solution that’s already proven to work is what we should do next to solve our problem.”
- ENTJs (Te-Ni) will judge (Te) before they perceive (Ni): “These are the facts I’ve observed about our problem. From my mix of past experience, feel for the present situation, and strategy for the future this solution is what we should do next to solve our problem.”
- For ESTJs, Si tends to reach backwards into the past by accessing relevant information, data, case studies, and experiences to quickly and efficiently resolve present issues (referencing)
- For ENTJs, Ni tends to reach forward into the future by extrapolating what will happen next based on a mix of inputs from the past, present, and self (forecasting)
- ESTJs tend to be stronger at implementation
- ENTJs tend to be stronger at execution
- ESTJs prefer to manage
- ENTJs prefer to coach
- ESTJs: “This is how it should be done.”
- ENTJs: “This is what needs to be done.”
- For ESTJs, their Si tends to make them more respectful towards authority, elders, and hierarchy. Their rationale for this being: “you’re in this high position due to the competence you’ve demonstrated and the results you’ve delivered in the past so you must know better. I will defer to you.”
- For ENTJs, their Ni tends to make them question authority and re-evaluate people on a regular basis. Their rationale for this being: “you’re in this high position due to the competence you’ve demonstrated and the results you’ve delivered in the past, but you could still be wrong in this particular situation so I’m going to probe your methods to double check its integrity.”
- Si is why ESTJs can be stubborn and closeminded once they’ve established their own competence, seniority, and catalog of accomplishments. Their rationale: “Who the hell are you to come in here with no qualifications, no experience, and no track record to override me?” At their worst, ESTJs are micromanagers.
- Ni is why ENTJs can be arrogant and dismissive pricks before establishing their own competence, seniority, and catalog of accomplishments. Their rationale: “I know you’ve been here forever and accomplished XYZ but my idea is still better, I’m smarter than you, and you should listen to me.” At their worst, ENTJs will dismiss or miss important details.
- Pro Tip: When ESTJs and ENTJs are in their stubborn douchebag modes, appeal to their dominant Te to break through the wall. Prepare for battle and go to war with sound logic. Do not get emotional, do not get subjective, and and do not try to kiss ass because they’ll see through it. With the ESTJ, be mindful of his position in the hierarchy relative to you because violating that chain of command will be construed as disrespect. With the ENTJ, be mindful of his opinion and thought process because dismissing that will be construed as disrespect.
- For ENTJs, their Ni and intuitive preference tend to make them more focused on the overarching strategy but also more lost in their minds. The problem with seeing so far ahead (a very common problem among all intuitives) is that ENTJs can miss what’s directly in front of them. The rationale: “Stay focused on our final destination over there so we don’t get lost on our route over here.”
- For ESTJs, their Si and sensing preference tend to make them more focused on the current process but also more narrow in their approach. They have an impeccable eye for fine details and logistical realities. The rationale: “Stay focused on our route over here so we can reach our final destination over there.”
- Both types have no patience for incompetence.
- Both types will seize control of a situation they feel it’s spinning out of control. Keep it together. (Read #2: Why is my ENTJ controlling?)
- Both types are endlessly devoted, reliable, and will go to war to protect you.
- Fun fact #1: I worked with an ESTJ manager on a previous engagement. I completed a complicated spend analysis for my client, spent an insane amount of time perfecting the formatting in my deck, I checked all the colors, spellchecked, grammar checked, and made sure the data integrity, writing, and aesthetics were impeccable. When I showed it to my ESTJ manager he looked at me and said: “This is an awesome deliverable: the calculations are correct, the graphs are stunning, the formatting is clean, and the narrative is perfect. I couldn’t have done a better job than you. There’s just one problem– you misspelled the client’s name.” That was a major fail on my part and thank God my ESTJ manager caught it.
- Fun fact #2: Intelligent ESTJs are often mistaken for ENTJs due to the intuitive bias in the MBTI. This is not only patronizing to ESTJs and sensors, it’ll also get you dropkicked in the face by an ESTJ. This is fact, not theory.
Thanks to the anon who submitted the ask.
my type of public transportation
“Why were you late in today?”
“Oh, I got tied up on the subway…”
I was always 50/50 on whether to reblog this but the last comment pushed it to like 95/5 in favor.
“What’s our stop?”
“You’ll get off when I tell you to.”