“whatever the fuck these two characters had going on” is a vastly underrated character dynamic
tommy just made like three consecutive coherent political jokes at once and i’m somehow so impressed
no tommy’s reaction to seeing himself on swedish news and yelling to tell his mom… that’s so sweet wtf
ppl keep calling ranboo a Centrist because hes For People. centrist would imply he is equally for dreams side and lmanburgs side (and the egg and the syndicate). hes not a centrist guys hes just a pushover lmaoooo fuckin loser
tubbos like im a kid. im a spy. im a president. im a nuclear physicist. im a father. im short. im a gold digger. im a communist. im a scammer. im paranoid. im gay. im a bitch. im girlbossing it. i have three stomachs. im a lover. im a hater. i bite
and im new in town.
Wilbur Lore Dropped on Stream:-the white hair isn’t from the resurrection, it’s stress
-when he got ghostbur’s memories back, he saw it flash before his eyes
-wilbur was legitimately angry with how tommy was treated. that wasn’t a lie or manipulation on his part (so get that theory out of the tags)
So Tommy said earlier that he feels like problems on the server never really get solved. Instead we get more loss, like Ghostbur’s death.
He’s asked why he’s gathering stone and Tommy says it’s to prevent a problem - so it doesn’t get out of hand.
The problem in this case is obviously Wilbur - Tommy believes Wilbur’s return is going to bring serious problems and Tommy wants to stop him from tearing the server apart. We know that Tommy no longer feels strong enough to fight in more wars - he’s been too beaten down. But he’s not giving up, he’s going to be active about stopping Wilbur.
Or rather, saving Wilbur. Tommy’s gathering stone, just like WIlbur asked. He’s going to work with him, going to go above and beyond about gathering as much stone as possible in some attempt to gain Wilbur’s attention, to be on his side and maybe get him to trust and confide in him.
Tommy tells Foolish some of L’Manburg history and says how he was okay when he was banished by JSchlatt as he was confident they’d win L’Manburg back. He said they’d talk about it, find peace. But WIlbur… he said Wilbur had given up on talking because he wasn’t strong enough. Wilbur wanted to be treated poorly (Tommy says, perhaps in reference to Wilbur declaring themselves as the bad guys) so he treated others poorly. And he blew up L’Manburg.
Tommy says he believes there’s still good in Wilbur. He is a good man, deep inside - but he’s been a bad guy for a long time. Not inherently a bad person, but his bad actions make him bad and its a position Wilbur is seemingly trapped in.
“He claimed to me, Foolish, that the nation We built together, he claimed that it was all just a rouse for power. Now I think Wilbur’s just being a bad guy. And that’s okay, we’re all bad guys, everyone messes up, you learn the most from your mistakes. He’s made so many mistakes, so many that have hurt so many people but… what this is gonna be about, isn’t giving him a second chance, isn’t giving him a third chance - it’s not about chances! It’s about making sure you don’t give up on the people you care about.”
Tommy doesn’t want to fight Wilbur. He doesn’t want to challenge him and have a war and defeat him. He wants to be there for him, to keep caring for him, and he’s not going to believe in the worst in him.
That’s why Tommy’s collecting stone. Tommy’s tired of fighting, tired of taking lossess. Trying to kill Dream and losing Ghostbur hurt him deeply once more but Tommy’s not the type to give up. He’s choosing to believe in Wilbur once more.
This is Tommy’s position, this is the stand he’s taking. He’s going to do his very best to save Wilbur and find that precious peace. He failed once, but he’s not going to give up.
one thing that does do my head in is that people refuse to recognise that character wise, pogtopia!wilbur and exile!tommy are extremely similar:
they experienced extremely similar things (unjust exile from all they loved, betrayal from people they loved),
had similar reactions (pushing people away/believing people are only being nice to them for an ulterior motive/not trusting people),
impacted other people similarly (taking out poor mental health on other characters by unthinkingly lashing out, causing trauma to other characters in some way without realising the extent),
and had very similar after effects (suicidal ideation, bitterness over the way they were treated that leads to a lasting mistrust of others, paranoia etc.),
but a lot of tommy apologists will use his trauma/mental health to explain away tommy’s actions during exile while condemning and demonising wilbur for doing the same thing, just because tommy was on the receiving end? i’m not saying wilbur can be excused necessarily, just that people should probably recognise that if they’re going to criticise certain actions he did in pogtopia, don’t defend tommy for doing the same thing because it kind of weakens your argument.
tommy in semi-lore pointing out that c!wilbur treats others poorly because he himself wants to be treated poorly! king shit! this child understands more than we give him credit for!
#for context he was discussing c!wilbur and the golden rule#and he pointed out that you should always treat others how you want to be treated#and normally that’s good#because most people want to be treated well#but c!wilbur is the exception#because he hates himself#he wants to be treated badly#so he treats others badly#that way when his brain tells him he’s trash he has outside justification#it’s ✨manifesting✨ but for mental illness
i just think wilbur could be the mansplain manipulate malewife to quackity’s gaslight gatekeep girlboss
this is what Wilbur knows about Ranboo:
- Ranboo is liked by everyone - presumably because he avoids picking a side and coming down hard against anyone *who isn’t already universally hated* (c!Dream)
- Ranboo and Tommy both committed the same crime, but only *Tommy* was exiled
He sees Ranboo as essentially coasting through life by being a people pleaser because he never puts his ideological foot down when it’s hard.
i will say that cc!wilbur is doing a fantastic job making his character feel like someone from season one has just been plucked up and dropped in the current season. like the value c!wilbur places on factions and fighting and leadership feels so out of place in the current smp even though it was the norm early on when c!wilbur was a central character.
philza minecraft just made utility bills canon to the dream smp what a day
thinking about writing something short making wilbur being revived and then immediately disappearing to hang out with george for two days canon to the dream smp. it may not be realistic but i just think it would be funny.
c!wilbur being so utterly confused as to why everyone loves ranboo so much because ranboo isnt a leader or have power, but simply is kind to those who are kind to him and that breaks his idea of what would make someone lovable
Remember, Wilbur is playing solitaire. It’s his job to put cards into nice, clean categories. But what happens when he finds a card that doesn’t fit any of the categories? What does he do then?
Clean categories is a really good way to put it!
His whole thing about being the villain comes to mind, plus putting dream in the “hero” category
wilbur could not be less of a threat to ranboo i do not understand why people are saying he is. they may be polar opposites and foils of one another but that is actually what means wilbur isn’t a threat to him.
wilbur cares about ideals. ranboo has none, he just wants to protect people. wilbur has no reason to cause conflict with ranboo because they literally have no ideals they could fight about.
if you go back to the whole hamilton thing: if wilbur is washington, ranboo is burr. washington and burr never had any major conflicts, because washington just dismissed burr generally as ‘not a threat so not worth bothering with.’ wilbur would more than likely do the exact same.