ultracrazy-trashpanda :

So, I’m still scrolling through Wikipedia.

And I see that Patroclus (Yes, the one who was gay for Achilles) was a lover of Poseidon.

But like, I never heard about this before and the only thing that pops up in Google is how in love Patroclus and Achilles was, nothing mentions Poseidon in the story.

So, If you know more or anything about this, please comment it, I just wanna know.

It’s from Ptolemaeus Chennus’ New History, which only survives from Photius I’s work Myriobiblon.

Homer calls Patroclus the first horseman because he learned from Poseidon, who loved him, the art of riding horses.

The original text uses the word erastes, “lover”.

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Which of OSP's Miscellaneous Myths is your favourite?

Ohh, I think it’s the pride tales! (for very obvious reasons) other than that I also really like Orion’s video, the abduction of Ares, and the theogony

whatshouldwecallhomer:

@ everyone in the last post pointing out that Odysseus slept with other women while he was trying to get back to Ithaca like it’s brand new information: first off, we know, thank you, we’ve read the damn book.

Secondly, have you read the book? In neither case is Odysseus’ tenure with Circe and Calypso portrayed as fully voluntary - he’s an outright captive of Calypso and spends all his free time crying and staring at the sea. Things didn’t get off to a great start with Circe either. I feel like the modern interpretation of the encounters with the goddesses in the Odyssey make it out as though Odysseus was just screwing around for the ten years between the end of the Trojan War and his homecoming, but that is reading against the text pretty significantly. I’m not saying there’s 0 textual support for that reading but there’s much much more in the opposite direction. The Odyssey is a nostos story - it derives its narrative tension from Odysseus’ struggle to get home, so the story doesn’t happen without the challenges he faces along the way.

Third - when you reduce the episodes with Calypso and Circe to “Odysseus is a bad husband because he cheated on Penelope”, you’re missing a really interesting parallel to the Iliad, where the events of the story are precipitated by a fight over a captive woman. We don’t actually get very much of Briseis’ perspective, despite the fact that the story couldn’t start without her. She has very few lines of dialogue. But when we get to the Odyssey, now the story starts with the main character who is essentially powerless in the role of a slave concubine. Do the gender ramifications there not make your head spin? In the Iliad, a straightforward poem about straight shooting heroes, which romanticizes war as much as it critiques it, the experiences of the war captives is all but absent. In the Odyssey, we see the aftermath of war and its impacts up close and personal, although the narrative comes at it at an angle (incidentally, the way Odysseus himself comes at problems). If you don’t want to examine that because you think Odysseus was a bad guy for cheating on Penelope… okay? That’s your prerogative I guess. You’re missing out some of the best stuff in the poems though!

(Incidentally I’m not saying Odysseus is a *good* guy, either - he’s a man of many ways, as Emily Wilson put it, he’s “a complicated man” - but that’s what makes him so interesting! If he were 100% wholesome and Unproblematic, we wouldn’t be reading this shit 2800 years later! Trust me! There are some extremely boring ancient works I’ve read where everybody does exactly what they were supposed to do! I’d rather read the Odyssey!)

Fourth, and I don’t exactly know how to frame this, even if you take Odysseus’ captivity with Circe and/or Calypso as infidelity… that doesn’t actually mean that he and Penelope don’t still have this crazy powerful bond! He deploys all his cleverness to escape from Calypso (even though she offers him immortality!) and then from Circe (in part) because they can’t offer him the like-mindedness he has with Penelope! He leaves because he wants to go back to Ithaca, his kingdom, and his family! And it’s not some kind of secret affair! Odysseus TELLS Penelope about both of them the same day she finally recognizes him and they reunite! If it is infidelity, it doesn’t compromise the foundation of their relationship.

Sorry for the long post y'all but I could not let this go

the-turtleduck-pond :

Anytime I think of people that read Lore Olympus not getting the difference between mythos Apollo and the story’s Apollo I get mad. Because he was not problematic that way, but he was fucking crazy and petty as all hell.

Every single thing I’ve read with the gods gets something wrong about him in particular.

Honestly a bunch of triggering subjects under the cut.

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That’s not true, that he never raped anyone, unfortunately. He forced himself on the young Athenian princess Creusa after dragging her in a cave as she screamed for her mother. He also forced Dryope.

Additionally, he chased Daphne and Bolina until the former begged her father to change her form and the latter committed suicide. Even in the myth of Cassandra, he seems to have pursued her rather ardently, even if he didn’t force her.

He may have not forced Persephone but that doesn’t mean he never forced anyone.

There are a few pretty okay Greek gods! Hades was faithful to his wife always, Apollo’s only flaw was his dates kept dying (outside his control) , and as far as I recall Dionysus and Hermes just wanted to cause mischief

Man… Persephone was an abducted teen… Apollo did multiple r*pes… Dionysus r*ped a woman while she was asleep…. genuinely I think Hermes is the only one who didn’t sexually assault someone lmao. Like I love Greek mythology but the characters have to be rewritten in any adaptation to be remotely redeemable. If you don’t believe any of my claims just look up “(name of god) rape” and it will immediately give you like ten results lsdjfklsjf

chaoticgenderlesscripple:

transenbyhollis:

butchtwinkwink:

Absolutely living for the fact that in ancient Greece, it was said that when Apollo was drunk he created people with the “wrong” genitalia,, which, first of all, means that 1. trans people are not a new thing, we’ve always been here and we’ve always found ways to justify and explain our existence, and 2. the way that we chose to explain ourselves at one point was, “Yeah, the sun was wasted as hell when he made me, but it’s cool.” and that is fucking awesome

christians: god makes no mistakes

ancient greeks: actually sometimes god os just really fucking wasted

Not trying to be an asshole or anything but I think OP got a little confused between two myths. Below is a message from my classical history PhD friend, Alex:

“Aristophanes in Plato’s Symposium said that Apollo was responsible for sealing up the split after people’s true pairs were cut apart (people used to be made of two halves, sort of like soulmates, and Zeus punished them by splitting them)

Phaedrus (early CE) attributes Prometheus’ getting drunk with people with ‘misapplying’ genitalia - both applicable to trans people and intersex people.

It makes more sense that Prometheus, creator of mankind, was the one creating certain groups of people, rather than Apollo.”

Basically we have Prometheus to thank for our trans and intersex siblings and it’s still rad as hell. Dude hangs out on a cliff and gets his liver eaten every day so I think we can cut him some slack given what he’s been through

May i ask the Greek word for”songbird “? Like a thrush, wren, lark, etc? Thank you! 😁

Surely! Unfortunatelly “songbird“ is not poetic at all in Greek and we don’t use it in a casual way. It’s “ωδικό πτηνό“ (oh-thee-KO ptee-NOH) = singing bird

mollociraptor :

Guess what daaaaay it isssss!

Happy Earth, Wind, and Fire Day! Boogie down now, y’all.

The flower is not from a modern adaptation (I meant to put that in the same last ask)

It is dude. Narcissus didn’t die until after Persephone was kidnapped. He turned into the flower. How could Persephone accept the flower if it didn’t exist yet?

littlesparklight :

This is my hill:

Hera isn’t just some ~abused housewife.

She was not raped by Zeus so she’d marry him (look, if you want to interpret the cuckoo myth that way, be my guest, but there’s no support of that unquestionably being what happened and claiming that is just wrong.), and she can and has left him. Zeus had to win her back, and if she didn’t want to be convinced, she would’ve just not come back with him.

She also fucks people up if they claim to love each other as much as/more than she and Zeus love each other (aside from being hubris, this wouldn’t be something to be angry about if they didn’t supposedly love each other).

Have a second hill while we’re at it:

Zeus has good qualities, ACTUALLY, and (general) you are boring and lack nuance when you pretend he’s the horny root of all evil in Greek mythology. yeah, He’s a cheater, because fertility and the ancient Greeks wanted to be related to the gods/the king of the gods, but he also indulgent as all hell, gives his children gifts, is actually a good ruler who obeys the same laws everyone else does even when he really doesn’t want to (ft. Sarpedon).

He also clearly feels bad Hades got stuck with the “bad” end in their allotment of ruling domains, and promises Hades a gift for it (I mean we can talk about the unfortunate display of patriarchy in that said gift is “a wife of his choosing” because Zeus as king and father of a number of daughters can offer that but that’s a different issue entirely), and these two are supposed to have a bad relationship?

I don’t take any critique, thank you. Go be boring on your own posts.

So here’s a bit of a misconception that’s going around, that the Titans are not gods and are instead an entirely unrelated species.

Although even in antiquity the Titans were confused for the Giants, a non-godly group that fought the Olympians and lost, the Titans were still seen as gods. They are a subgroup of gods, much like the Primordials and the Olympians.

So here I have collected several instances where Titans are called gods; for no matter what group they belong to, those individuals were seen as divine, were seen as the same with the Olympians who came after them.

Astraeus and Eos

Theogony (Hesiod):

Ἀστραίῳ δ᾽ Ἠὼς ἀνέμους τέκε καρτεροθύμους, ἀργέστην Ζέφυρον Βορέην τ᾽ αἰψηροκέλευθον καὶ Νότον, ἐν φιλότητι θεὰ θεῷ εὐνηθεῖσα.

And Eos bore to Astraeus the strong-hearted winds, brightening Zephyrus, and Boreas, headlong in his course, and Notus - the goddess in love slept with the god.

Coeus and Phoebe

Theogony (Hesiod):

Φοίβη δ᾽ αὖ Κοίου πολυήρατον ἦλθεν ἐς εὐνήν· κυσαμένη δὴ ἔπειτα θεὰ θεοῦ ἐν φιλότητι Λητὼ κυανόπεπλον ἐγείνατο,

And again, Phoebe came to the bed of desired Coeus; and in love the goddess for the god bore and gave birth to cyan-robed Leto,

Cronus

Saturnalia (Lucian):

ΚΡΟΝΟΣ: …οὐκ αἰδεσθεὶς πολιὸν οὕτω καὶ πρεσβύτην θεόν.

CRONUS: …and you don’t respect a gray-haired and old god.

Dione and Themis

Homeric Hymn to Apollo:

θεαὶ δ’ ἔσαν ἔνδοθι πᾶσαι ὅσσαι ἄρισται ἔσαν, Διώνη τε Ῥείη τε Ἰχναίη τε Θέμις καὶ ἀγάστονος Ἀμφιτρίτη,

and there were with her [Leto] all the chiefest of the goddesses, Dione and Rhea and Ichnaea and Themis and loud-moaning Amphitrite,

Hecate

Theogony (Hesiod):

οὐδ᾽, ὅτι μουνογενής, ἧσσον θεὰ ἔμμορε τιμῆς,

the goddess doesn’t receive any less honour because she’s only-born,

Helios

Odyssey (Homer):

δεινοῦ γὰρ θεοῦ αἵδε βόες καὶ ἴφια μῆλα, Ἠελίου, ὃς πάντ’ ἐφορᾷ καὶ πάντ’ ἐπακούει.

for these are the cows and goodly sheep of a dread god, the Sun, who oversees all things and overhears all things.

Hymn to Artemis (Callimachus):

ἐπεὶ θεὸς οὔποτ᾽ ἐκεῖνον ἦλθε παρ᾽ Ἠέλιος καλὸν χορόν,

and never does the Sun god passes by that lovely dance,

The Sun and the Frogs (Aesop fables; Babrius’ version):

Γάμοι μὲν ἦσαν Ἡλίου θέρους ὥρῃ, τὰ ζῷα δ’ ἱλαροὺς ἦγε τῷ θεῷ κώμους.

The Sun’s wedding was to take place at summer, and all the animals happily celebrated for the god.  

Phaethon (Euripides):

[Clymene addresses her son Phaethon]

ΚΛΥΜΕΝΗ: μνησθεὶς ὅ μοὶ ποτ’ εἶφ’ ὅτ’ ηὐνάσθη θεὸς.

CLYMENE: Remind him, what the god told me when he slept with me.

Leto

Homeric Hymn to Apollo:

[The island of Delos addresses Leto]

ἀλλ’ εἴ μοι τλαίης γε, θεά, μέγαν ὅρκον ὀμόσσαι,

Yet if you will but dare to swear, goddess, a great oath,

Mnemosyne

Critias (Plato):

καὶ πρὸς οἷς θεοῖς εἶπες τούς τε ἄλλους κλητέον καὶ δὴ καὶ τὰ μάλιστα Μνημοσύνην.

But besides the gods you have mentioned, I would specially invoke Mnemosyne.

Historic Library (Diodorus Sicelus):

τῶν δὲ Τιτανίδων φασὶ Μνημοσύνην λογισμοὺς εὑρεῖν καὶ τὰς τῶν ὀνομάτων θέσεις ἑκάστῳ τῶν ὄντων τάξαι, […] προσάπτουσι δὲ τῇ θεῷ ταύτῃ καὶ τὰ πρὸς ἀνανέωσιν καὶ μνήμην γινόμενα παρὰ τοῖς ἀνθρώποις,

Of the Titanesses they say that Mnemosyne discovered the uses of the power of reason, […] And to this goddess is also attributed the power to call things to memory and to remembrance which men possess,

Prometheus

Prometheus Bound (Aeschylus):

ΠΡΟΜΗΘΕΥΣ: ἴδεσθέ μ’ οἷα πρὸς θεῶν πάσχω θεός.

PROMETHEUS: See what I, a god, suffer from the gods.

Rhea

Homeric Hymn to Apollo:

θεαὶ δ’ ἔσαν ἔνδοθι πᾶσαι ὅσσαι ἄρισται ἔσαν, Διώνη τε Ῥείη τε Ἰχναίη τε Θέμις καὶ ἀγάστονος Ἀμφιτρίτη,

and there were with her [Leto] all the chiefest of the goddesses, Dione and Rhea and Ichnaea and Themis and loud-moaning Amphitrite,

Hymn to Zeus (Callimachus):

εἶπε καὶ ἀντανύσασα θεὴ μέγαν ὑψόθι πῆχυν…

said the goddess and raised her great hand…

Selene

Orphic Hymn to Selene:

Κλῦθι, θεὰ βασίλεια, φαεσφόρε, δῖα Σελήνη,

Listen, goddess queen, light-bringer, divine Moon,

Homeric Hymn to Selene:

Χαῖρε ἄνασσα θεὰ λευκώλενε δῖα Σελήνη

Hail queen goddess white-armed divine Moon

Titans as a whole:

Theogony (Hesiod):

οὐδέ τί μιν Κρονίδης ἐβιήσατο οὐδέ τ᾽ ἀπηύρα, ὅσσ᾽ ἔλαχεν Τιτῆσι μετὰ προτέροισι θεοῖσιν,

The son of Cronus did her [Hecate] no wrong nor took anything away of all that she had been given by the Titans, the former gods.

Now obviously those are not the only examples, there are many out there, but my point is; Titans are gods. So, for example, Mnemosyne is not the “Titan of memory”, she is the “goddess of memory” or the “Titan goddess of memory”. They do not differ, in any meaningful way, from their children the Olympians.

jackcinephile :

veryspookychild :

I know I don’t seem like the type of person to like this kind of stuff based on what I post….But, come on, this is true af.

Remember kids, one version is an accurate extrapolation of their relationship, based on a vague description from an ancient Greek source. The other version has no basis in the source material, and only exists because the author wanted to virtue signal by exploiting trauma for the sake of “female empowerment”.

If Zeus decided to step down, which of his kids would get the throne? I believe Ares is the oldest of his and Hera's children so therefore next in line but Zeus plays favourites so Athena? But then there's Also Dionysus who still has the heart of Zagreus wuo was supposed to be the next king so i need your expert opinion

Strenght/ability wise, it would either be Athena or Apollo. I don’t think Ares would be in the line because he’s not as powerful or important to Zeus as Athena or Apollo (and in Hesoid’s timeline, Apollo is Zeus’ first son, not Ares. Although, some of the later accounts contradict that). I don’t think Dionysus could be bothered to be the king lol, it’s too much responsibility for a god who loves fooling around and having fun (plus, him and Zagreus are different beings imo, even if one of them is just the other reborn). Many poets, including Homer and Callimachus, put an emphasis on how Apollo is next only to Zeus in power. Zeus assigned many important tasks to Apollo. Apollo was also allowed to use the thunderbolt and the aegis. Well, Athena did too, which is why I think that they’re both equally good candidates. But if you go by the norms of ancient greece, Apollo is the obvious choice since he is the son, and it was the son that was considered the heir, not the daughter.

evescottage :

TW: m*rder, s**cide

Niobe- Had more children than the goddess Leto and claimed that she should be worshipped instead. Artemis and Apollo killed all of her children as revenge.

Cassandra- Extremely accurate oracle who promised to marry Apollo, but broke this oath. Apollo cursed her so no one would ever believe her prophecies.

Arachne- Claimed to be a better weaver than Athena. Was challenged to a contest with the goddess, and got her ass clapped for disrespecting the goddess of war. Committed s**cide, was turned into a spider.

Endymion- Was loved by the goddess Selene, who begged Zeus to make him never die. Zeus put Endymion in an eternal sleep.

Paris- Disrespected Athena and Hera by choosing Aphrodite as the most beautiful goddess over them. Stole the wife of a Greek king, which led to the Greeks declaring war on Troy, which led to Paris getting his shit rocked and then dying.

Do you still want to disrespect the gods? Do you still want to be a godspouse? Do you still have a crush on your deity? Take this as a lesson and a warning.

Hm, I generally agree, except for Endymion.

It was Endymion who asked Zeus to put him into eternal sleep, so I doubt this counts as mortals messing up with gods. He got exactly what he wished for - that’s a favour, not a punishment.

Endymion was the son of Calyce and Aethlius […] A man of unrivaled beauty, he was loved by Selene. When he was given a wish of his choice by Zeus, he chose to remain immortal and unaging in eternal sleep - Apollodorus, The Library

And the fact that this is a blessing by Zeus is reinforced here

Hesiod says that Endymion was the son of Aethlius, the son of Zeus, and Calyce, and received the gift from Zeus : ‘(To be) keeper of death for his own self when he was ready to die - A scholiast on Apollonius Rhodius

There is a version where the sleep is punishment from Zeus, but it’s not connected to Selene.

In the Great Eoeae [work of Hesiod] it is said that Endymion was transported by Zeus into heaven, but when he fell in love with Hera, was befooled with a shape of cloud, and was cast out and went down into Hades - The same scholiast on Apollonius Rhodius

not-so-nerdyy :

nicosbrokeneyes :

Okay once again I am here to clear something up. People are always arguing over Helios and Apollo and which one is the sun god. But something no one seems to remember, is that Helios IS NOT A GOD, he is a titan. That makes him the TITAN of the sun. And once he “faded” Apollo took over his duties becoming the GOD of the sun.

Uh, no? This like, totally wrong.

Titans and gods are the same. Titan is just more of a generational term.

Helios never faded away. It was Helios who always drove the sun chariot. Apollo was also considered the god of sun, but sun chariot was never his job.

OP, Percy Jackson is not Greek mythology. Just because Rick Riordan wrote something doesn’t make it true.

First things first; Titans are gods. They are not a different species. They are gods. Not all gods are Titans, but all Titans are gods. This means, Helios is a god. I could give countless of examples, but let’s focus on Helios.

Odyssey (Homer):

δεινοῦ γὰρ θεοῦ αἵδε βόες καὶ ἴφια μῆλα, Ἠελίου, ὃς πάντ’ ἐφορᾷ καὶ πάντ’ ἐπακούει.

deinou gar theou haide boes kai iphia mela, Eeliou, hos pant’ ephorai kai pant’ epakouei.

for these are the cows and goodly sheep of a dread god, the Sun, who oversees all things and overhears all things.

Hymn to Artemis (Callimachus):

ἐπεὶ θεὸς οὔποτ᾽ ἐκεῖνον ἦλθε παρ᾽ Ἠέλιος καλὸν χορόν,

epei theos oupot’ ekeinon ēlthe par’ Ēelios kalon khoron,

and never does the Sun god pass by that lovely dance,

The Sun and the Frogs (Aesop fables; Babrius’ version):

Γάμοι μὲν ἦσαν Ἡλίου θέρους ὥρῃ, τὰ ζῷα δ’ ἱλαροὺς ἦγε τῷ θεῷ κώμους.

Gamoi men ēsan Hēliou therous hōrēi, ta zōia d’ hilarous ēge tōi theōi kōmous.

The Sun’s wedding was to take place at summer, and all the animals happily celebrated for the god.  

Phaethon (Euripides lost play):

[Clymene addresses her son Phaethon]

ΚΛΥΜΕΝΗ: μνησθεὶς ὅ μοὶ ποτ’ εἶφ’ ὅτ’ ηὐνάσθη θεὸς.

KLYMENE: mnēstheis ho moi pot’ eiph’ hot’ ēynasthē theos.

CLYMENE: Remind him, what the god told me when he slept with me.

Those are just four examples. There are many more.

Onto the second point; what Rick Riordan wrote in his works has absolute no bearing on actual Greek mythology. Greek gods don’t fade; this is made up. And Apollo never replaced Helios, because there is not a single story, a single version, where such thing happens. In fact, there is not a single story in which Apollo drives the Sun chariot (which, in Greek, translates to “Helios’ chariot”); from works as early as the 700s BC (Iliad) and as late as the 300s (Dionysiaca), Helios is recognised as the sole charioteer. And the 300s AD is around the time the Roman Empire switched to Christianity, and thereafter it little mattered who was the Sun god.

You also seem to have a pretty false idea of what Titans are; no, the Moon wouldn’t still exist if Selene disappeared, because she is the Moon. The Sun wouldn’t still exist if Helios disappeared, because he is the Sun. This is something that a lot of non-Greek speakers miss entirely; the Sun is inseparable from Helios; it (or should I say he) doesn’t eixst separately from Helios. The Moon is inseparable from Selene; it (or should I say she) doesn’t exist separately from Selene. The Greek, both ancient and modern, words for Sun and Moon have always been Helios and Selene; in Greek, it’s literally impossible to talk about the Sun without talking about Helios, or talk about the Moon without talking about Selene.

So yeah, if any ancient Greek person said “Helios/Selene faded”, they would be saying “The Sun/Moon faded” because Helios and Selene are the Sun and the Moon; the gods, the celestial bodies, and the very points of reference.

In order for Apollo to be a Sun god, he has to be connected to the Sun, that is Helios. In order for Artemis to be a Moon goddess, she has to be connected to Selene. They can’t replace the Sun and the Moon, they can be syncretized with them and considered to be the same as them (which they were). But they cannot replace them. Apollo can’t be the god of something that doesn’t exist. Just like Hephaestus wasn’t the god of skyscrapers in Ancient Greece because skyscrapers didn’t exist, similarly Apollo can’t be the Sun god if the Sun is not around, which is what Rick Riordan did. What do you think is Greek for Sun god anyway? It’s “theos helios”. Again, you connect Apollo to the Sun, you connect him with Helios, because Helios is the Sun.

So no. If Helios and Selene “faded”, which is impossible and entirely inaccurate because I repeat, Rick Riordan’s works ≠ actual Greek myths, then so would the Sun and the Moon, and Apollo and Artemis wouldn’t get to be gods of either.

No ancient Greek version has Apollo replace Helios or drive his chariot; this never happens. No ancient Greek version has Artemis replace Selene or driver her chariot. This never happens. You can say “Greek mythology has many versions” but you actually need provide a source which supports what you said. I can use the same argument and claim that Hera and Poseidon are the same god; but unless I provide said version, instead of just insisting there is one out there, this means little.

You like Percy Jackson? That’s fine. But don’t assume that everything it’s written there is in any way accurate, and don’t act like PJO is anything like actual Greek mythology.

illiteral-trash :

illiteral-trash :

✿ Zeus x Demeter = Persephone

✿ Zeus x Leto = Artemis & Apollo

✿ Zeus x Hera = Hebe, Hephaestus, Aries, Enyo, and Eileithyia

✿ Zeus x Mnemosyne = The Muses

✿ Zeus x Dione = Aphrodite (she has two birth stories ok)

✿ Zeus x Maia = Hermes

✿ Zeus x Semele = Dionysus

✿ Zeus x Alcmene = Heracles (he turned into a god after dying)

✿ Zeus x Io = Epaphus

✿ Zeus x Metis = Athena (it’s complicated)

(It’s worth noting that Metis was Zeus’ first wife and Hera was his second, so in total he has 8 goddess mistresses in addition to like half of the mortal women in ancient Greece)

So as @theapostropheofdarkness pointed out, this isn’t a full list. However, saying that Zeus… did it with his daughter Persephone is not 100% correct. The ancient Greeks sometimes combined Zeus and Hades into the same person, even though most of the time they were separate. This is common in mythology, but it makes it incredibly hard to make a family tree (for example, Hermaphrodite was originally just Aphrodite but a boy, but later sources say he was the son of Aphrodite and Hermes). While it is ultimately up to how you interpret the myths, I choose to think that Hades and Persephone had a healthy marriage where neither of them cheated on each other. (This interpretation is supported by the fact that Hades has no recorded children with people other than Persephone, and excluding Aphrodite and Gaia, most wives were faithful to their husbands).

I’m sick rn with a fever so this might not make sense ill edit it later

Persephone had Adonis, though.

loloisafangirl:

(tw: rape)

Okay I have answered this same ask FIVE TIMES bc tumblr deleted the first four and the fifth one didn’t show up on tags. i am straight up NOT having a good time. will be crying later

Okay so I can’t remember the exact wording of the ask, but basically this person was asking if Hermes raped Apemosyne or not. So it’s great that they thought I was the right person to come to and all (thank u v much for the ego boost) but it is no secret that I am a Certified Dumbass and so I’m just gonna link a bunch of sources and see what they say. We all know the only thing I know is that Poseidon is a bottom. please join the movement. please

https://www.theoi.com/Olympios/HermesLoves.htm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apemosyne

https://pantheon.org/articles/a/apemosyne.html

https://01greekmythology.blogspot.com/2014/01/apemosyne.html?m=1

So yee!!! Two of the four specify rape, while the other two don’t explicitly say it but it can be inferred. Also btw idk if you were asking me or telling me by the way you worded the ask but here this is anyway kajdksjdjiej. You can take with this what you may, it’s good to know the bad things gods have done but also don’t let this start a Hermes hate train bc I will fight yall😔

Ok goodbye!!! Join the movement!!!!

(Edit: it didn’t show up on tags again. I wanted some Greek mythology blogs to see this and Be Proud Of Me but no😔😔😔😔 finna head out)

The verb the original text uses is phtheiro (in the form of phtheiretai). On its own, this verb translates to “spoil”, “destroy”. The use of rape in translation is, I guess, because of the context; Apemosyne flees from him (she doesn’t want him), he then tricks her and has his way with her. So I guess this is supposed to be rape.

How can you say Kore changing her name to Persephone isn’t an empowering thing? She’s rejecting a stilted childhood for queenship. You condoning it is not a very feminist thing of you to say.

her name was persephone since the moment her lovely mother demeter gave birth to her and having hades change her name so she’s labeled his consort is not feminist or empowering and I dont know why I have to tell you that

annepamgkrth:

FUN FACT FROM A ANCIENT HISTORY STUDENT

In one of the older tellings of the “Kidnapping” of Persephone, she just accidentally found the door way and walked in and sat on Hades’ throne and said “This is mine now” and Hades gave no shits. Demeter threw a hissy fit so she called Daddy Zeus and he was like “Okay I’m forcing a divorce-“ “TOUCH MY HUBBY AND I WILL KILL YOU!” “…How about you visit you mom for 3 months?” “That sounds fair.”

The newer telling, yeah, is the “r*pe” of Persephone where Hades does take her after Zeus AGREED and Demeter was like “UM WAT” and Zeus is like “OKAY OKAY ILL BRING HER BACK” but Hades is like “no she ate food here” “UM OKAY DEMETER, PERSE AND HADES WHY BOT 6 MONTHS.”

So In Lore Olympus how Persephone totally ran away to Hades and that theory she willing left and how it’s the start of the kidnapping part of the myth? Holds a LOT of weight right now.

Bonus fact: There is evidence that shows that Cerberus means spots or spotted.

Where did you read this?

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Let me preface this with hestia doesnt start fights.

But its wild to worship hestia as a greek god bc she does not like the Romans. Most greek gods have roman counterparts bc when the Roman’s took over they were like we like these gods well take them.

But hestia doesnt have a roman counterpart.

Shes the godess if the hearth, home and familial relations. She was one of the peacekeepers between the Greek gods

And when the romans took the gods they took her family but not her

And I dont think shell ever forgive them

Have you, by any chance, heard of Vesta, the virgin goddess of the hearth, home, and family in Roman religion? The Roman counterpart of Hestia?

Vesta doesn’t exist

Yes she does

I was being sarcastic, you smartass

I know full well which gods exist and which do not.

This is why the post is here. Because OP claimed unironically she did not exist.

Oh I was thoroughly confused because I was reading your blog and for someone who likes to tell people everything is wrong, you sure don’t know a Tartarus of a lot. Case closed

Don’t you have anything better to do? Like claiming your own headcanons and theories are canon?

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Let me preface this with hestia doesnt start fights.

But its wild to worship hestia as a greek god bc she does not like the Romans. Most greek gods have roman counterparts bc when the Roman’s took over they were like we like these gods well take them.

But hestia doesnt have a roman counterpart.

Shes the godess if the hearth, home and familial relations. She was one of the peacekeepers between the Greek gods

And when the romans took the gods they took her family but not her

And I dont think shell ever forgive them

Have you, by any chance, heard of Vesta, the virgin goddess of the hearth, home, and family in Roman religion? The Roman counterpart of Hestia?

Vesta doesn’t exist

Yes she does

I was being sarcastic, you smartass

I know full well which gods exist and which do not.

This is why the post is here. Because OP claimed unironically she did not exist.

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The biggest lie ever in mythology is just Persephone being kidnapped by Hades. She WAS NOT kidnapped. She literally just wandered into the underworld and decided she liked it there. And it was only changed by the romans because Persephone was a strong woman and more fearsome than Hades 

It’s just really frustrating when people only know the fake version of the story. Again Hades DID NOT kidnap her at all

Is this satire? Sarcasm? I really hope it is because if it’s not, then everything you’ve written is wrong and, boiii you seem to be stuck in one hell of a delusion. I feel bad for you.

Actually what they said is true. The kidnapping was a later version. Persephone did wander into the Underworld and Hades wasn’t gonna say no. They were friends before they got married.

Then, since you study greek mythology, tell me which greek poet or greek author said that they were friends before and that she went down willingly. Tell me their name and the work in which they mention this version. Quote the translation of that passage. Stories that you read in a random book or retellings aren’t canon verisons of Greek myths, if you didn’t know that already.

Persephone willingly going to Hades is a modern twist written by a modern author and popularised as canon by people who do zero research. Even the op who made that post on tumblr admitted this and apologised. I’m tired of people pretending as if they know what they’re talking about and not admitting their mistakes like a decent person when they’re proven wrong.

1. U don’t have to be a dick about it. 2. I don’t know who quoted it. 3. It wasn’t called the Rape of Persephone till years after. 4. When you spend 4 and a half years studying my religion, you can tell me I’m wrong. 5. In Myceanien Greece (The Ancient Greece of Ancient Greece), Hades wasn’t a god. He didn’t exist. There was just Persephone and Zagreus. So the Ancient Greeks kinda split Zagreus into two people, Hades and Dionysus. Hades also isb’t his ‘birth name’. When he first came into play, he was called Aidoneus. So most of the gods hang around earth but he didn’t so it scared people and they started calling him Hades. It means unseen. Persephone had already been in the Underworld! Therefore he did not kidnap her. And what I meant by friends was, he didn’t kidnap a rape her. They knew each other before they got married. May not have been for long but still.

“I don’t know who quoted it” yes, because no one did. This is something you guys are making up.

Also, if you don’t have sources, all your claims are basically invalid. That’s how it works. I try not to be a dick about it, but when I see things like this, I might come off as one, even though I don’t intend to.

I legit explained it for you.

Hades. Did. Not. Exist. Before. Ancient. Greece.

Persephone. Was. Already. In. The. Underworld.

Hades. Cannot. Kidnap. If. He. Doesn’t. Exist.

Persephone. Was. Not. Kidnapped. By. Hades.

I repeat. Hades. Did. Not. Exist.

Persephone. Ruled. With. Her. Son. Zagreus.

(He’s usually Zeus’s child)

Got it? Hades didn’t kidnap her because he didn’t exist. Persephone ruled the Underworld before he did.

Do you have any actual sources? By scholars? Or is that stuff you made up yourself?

Please! For the love of Ares! Did you not read it!

Before Ancient Greece! Okay? Got that part?

There was Mycenaean Greece.

In the language of Myceanan, Hades did not exist. He was never mentioned. Okay?

Persephone however did exist. And she was already in the Underworld. Ruling it. WITHOUT HADES. got it?

So let’s go over this for a third time.

Hades didn’t exist. You cannot kidnap if you do not exist.

Persephone was in the Underworld.

And for all of your, ‘who’s your scholar? Who quoted it?’ Comments. It’s a whole damn civilization. Shut it with your, ‘Oh I’ve studied longer and other people would disagree’ bullcrap because you clearly haven’t studied! Or you would know about Mycenaean Greece. You would know they came before the Ancient Greeks. You would know that Hades did not exist. You would also know that Persephone was already in the Underworld. And she ruled with Zagreus. Do you get the point? It’s not a scholar or a poet.

It’s a whole different civilization. A slightly different pantheon. A whole different time before Ancient Greece. A time where Hades didn’t exist to kidnap her. A time where Persephone ran away from her overbearing mother and stayed in a place far away from where her mother would go. Persephone was the queen of the Underworld before Hades was the king.

You have yet to site one single source.

I can claim that Hera ate a peacock and then gave birth to the peacock’s babies who were then raised by Artemis. That doesn’t make it true because I say so. You have yet to say where exactly you got the information you posted - which you haven’t done. Unless you actually provide sources, nothing you say actually means anything.

Till then, we have all the ancient writings that state Hades kidnapped Persephone, which are not invalid just because of some baseless claims you make.

LISTEN TO ME! BEFORE ANCIENT GREECE! FORGET ANCIENT GREECE EXISTS.

HADES IN MYCENAEAN GREECE, WHICH IS WHAT ANCIENT GREECE IS FROM DID NOT EXIST. IT’S A WHOLE CIVILIZATION! SEARCH UP MYCENAEAN GREECE! LOOK THROUGH THEIR PANTHEON! I CAN’T GIVE YOU NAMES BECAUSE IT’S 7 THOUSAND YEARS OLD AND WE ONLY HAVE BITS AND PIECES!

MYCENAEANS DID NOT HAVE HADES. HADES WAS NOT REAL. ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME A WHOLE CIVILIZATION WAS LYING? A WHOLE 3 THOUSAND YEARS WAS FAKE? THE BRONZE AGE IS ANOTHER NAME FOR IT. SEARCH UP WHAT MYCENAEAN LANGUAGE LOOKED LIKE. AND LOOK AT THEIR DEITIES. HADES ISN’T THERE BUT PERSEPHONE IS.

How the Tartarus does someone kidnap if they don’t exist. It’s a whole damn civilization. Mycenaeans. Search up the Mycenaean pantheon. Hesiod, Apollodorus, Homer. Those are all Ancient Greek. I’m talking thousands of years before them. Do you notice how Hades isn’t in the Illiad? Because it’s set in Mycenaean Greece. Where Hades didn’t exist

Shouting doesn’t make it right, you know.

I am not saying the Mycenaeans were lying. I am saying that you are misinformed.

So Hades didn’t exist because there is no Mycenaean deity called Hades. Well we have found no Mycenaean word for “sun” so far. i guess the sun did not exist in Mycenaean Greece either and only came to be around the 900s BC. Also there’s no Mycenaean god Zagreus either - Dionysus yes, he exists. But no Zagreus. How can he rule the Underworld with Persephone if he doesn’t exist?

“ I CAN’T GIVE YOU NAMES BECAUSE IT’S 7 THOUSAND YEARS OLD AND WE ONLY HAVE BITS AND PIECES!”

No, you can’t give me names because nothing you say is true.

And Mycenaean Greece is not 7000 years old.

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The biggest lie ever in mythology is just Persephone being kidnapped by Hades. She WAS NOT kidnapped. She literally just wandered into the underworld and decided she liked it there. And it was only changed by the romans because Persephone was a strong woman and more fearsome than Hades 

It’s just really frustrating when people only know the fake version of the story. Again Hades DID NOT kidnap her at all

Is this satire? Sarcasm? I really hope it is because if it’s not, then everything you’ve written is wrong and, boiii you seem to be stuck in one hell of a delusion. I feel bad for you.

Actually what they said is true. The kidnapping was a later version. Persephone did wander into the Underworld and Hades wasn’t gonna say no. They were friends before they got married.

Then, since you study greek mythology, tell me which greek poet or greek author said that they were friends before and that she went down willingly. Tell me their name and the work in which they mention this version. Quote the translation of that passage. Stories that you read in a random book or retellings aren’t canon verisons of Greek myths, if you didn’t know that already.

Persephone willingly going to Hades is a modern twist written by a modern author and popularised as canon by people who do zero research. Even the op who made that post on tumblr admitted this and apologised. I’m tired of people pretending as if they know what they’re talking about and not admitting their mistakes like a decent person when they’re proven wrong.

1. U don’t have to be a dick about it. 2. I don’t know who quoted it. 3. It wasn’t called the Rape of Persephone till years after. 4. When you spend 4 and a half years studying my religion, you can tell me I’m wrong. 5. In Myceanien Greece (The Ancient Greece of Ancient Greece), Hades wasn’t a god. He didn’t exist. There was just Persephone and Zagreus. So the Ancient Greeks kinda split Zagreus into two people, Hades and Dionysus. Hades also isb’t his ‘birth name’. When he first came into play, he was called Aidoneus. So most of the gods hang around earth but he didn’t so it scared people and they started calling him Hades. It means unseen. Persephone had already been in the Underworld! Therefore he did not kidnap her. And what I meant by friends was, he didn’t kidnap a rape her. They knew each other before they got married. May not have been for long but still.

“I don’t know who quoted it” yes, because no one did. This is something you guys are making up.

Also, if you don’t have sources, all your claims are basically invalid. That’s how it works. I try not to be a dick about it, but when I see things like this, I might come off as one, even though I don’t intend to.

I legit explained it for you.

Hades. Did. Not. Exist. Before. Ancient. Greece.

Persephone. Was. Already. In. The. Underworld.

Hades. Cannot. Kidnap. If. He. Doesn’t. Exist.

Persephone. Was. Not. Kidnapped. By. Hades.

I repeat. Hades. Did. Not. Exist.

Persephone. Ruled. With. Her. Son. Zagreus.

(He’s usually Zeus’s child)

Got it? Hades didn’t kidnap her because he didn’t exist. Persephone ruled the Underworld before he did.

Do you have any actual sources? By scholars? Or is that stuff you made up yourself?

Please! For the love of Ares! Did you not read it!

Before Ancient Greece! Okay? Got that part?

There was Mycenaean Greece.

In the language of Myceanan, Hades did not exist. He was never mentioned. Okay?

Persephone however did exist. And she was already in the Underworld. Ruling it. WITHOUT HADES. got it?

So let’s go over this for a third time.

Hades didn’t exist. You cannot kidnap if you do not exist.

Persephone was in the Underworld.

And for all of your, ‘who’s your scholar? Who quoted it?’ Comments. It’s a whole damn civilization. Shut it with your, ‘Oh I’ve studied longer and other people would disagree’ bullcrap because you clearly haven’t studied! Or you would know about Mycenaean Greece. You would know they came before the Ancient Greeks. You would know that Hades did not exist. You would also know that Persephone was already in the Underworld. And she ruled with Zagreus. Do you get the point? It’s not a scholar or a poet.

It’s a whole different civilization. A slightly different pantheon. A whole different time before Ancient Greece. A time where Hades didn’t exist to kidnap her. A time where Persephone ran away from her overbearing mother and stayed in a place far away from where her mother would go. Persephone was the queen of the Underworld before Hades was the king.

You have yet to site one single source.

I can claim that Hera ate a peacock and then gave birth to the peacock’s babies who were then raised by Artemis. That doesn’t make it true because I say so. You have yet to say where exactly you got the information you posted - which you haven’t done. Unless you actually provide sources, nothing you say actually means anything.

Till then, we have all the ancient writings that state Hades kidnapped Persephone, which are not invalid just because of some baseless claims you make.

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The biggest lie ever in mythology is just Persephone being kidnapped by Hades. She WAS NOT kidnapped. She literally just wandered into the underworld and decided she liked it there. And it was only changed by the romans because Persephone was a strong woman and more fearsome than Hades 

It’s just really frustrating when people only know the fake version of the story. Again Hades DID NOT kidnap her at all

Is this satire? Sarcasm? I really hope it is because if it’s not, then everything you’ve written is wrong and, boiii you seem to be stuck in one hell of a delusion. I feel bad for you.

Actually what they said is true. The kidnapping was a later version. Persephone did wander into the Underworld and Hades wasn’t gonna say no. They were friends before they got married.

Then, since you study greek mythology, tell me which greek poet or greek author said that they were friends before and that she went down willingly. Tell me their name and the work in which they mention this version. Quote the translation of that passage. Stories that you read in a random book or retellings aren’t canon verisons of Greek myths, if you didn’t know that already.

Persephone willingly going to Hades is a modern twist written by a modern author and popularised as canon by people who do zero research. Even the op who made that post on tumblr admitted this and apologised. I’m tired of people pretending as if they know what they’re talking about and not admitting their mistakes like a decent person when they’re proven wrong.

1. U don’t have to be a dick about it. 2. I don’t know who quoted it. 3. It wasn’t called the Rape of Persephone till years after. 4. When you spend 4 and a half years studying my religion, you can tell me I’m wrong. 5. In Myceanien Greece (The Ancient Greece of Ancient Greece), Hades wasn’t a god. He didn’t exist. There was just Persephone and Zagreus. So the Ancient Greeks kinda split Zagreus into two people, Hades and Dionysus. Hades also isb’t his ‘birth name’. When he first came into play, he was called Aidoneus. So most of the gods hang around earth but he didn’t so it scared people and they started calling him Hades. It means unseen. Persephone had already been in the Underworld! Therefore he did not kidnap her. And what I meant by friends was, he didn’t kidnap a rape her. They knew each other before they got married. May not have been for long but still.

“I don’t know who quoted it” yes, because no one did. This is something you guys are making up.

Also, if you don’t have sources, all your claims are basically invalid. That’s how it works. I try not to be a dick about it, but when I see things like this, I might come off as one, even though I don’t intend to.

I legit explained it for you.

Hades. Did. Not. Exist. Before. Ancient. Greece.

Persephone. Was. Already. In. The. Underworld.

Hades. Cannot. Kidnap. If. He. Doesn’t. Exist.

Persephone. Was. Not. Kidnapped. By. Hades.

I repeat. Hades. Did. Not. Exist.

Persephone. Ruled. With. Her. Son. Zagreus.

(He’s usually Zeus’s child)

Got it? Hades didn’t kidnap her because he didn’t exist. Persephone ruled the Underworld before he did.

Do you have any actual sources? By scholars? Or is that stuff you made up yourself?

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Maybe because it’s not as well known, but people will legit harp on Zeus and then turn around and say nothing to Selene worshipers. 

The Myth of Endymion
Endymion was this attractive youth (aren’t they all attractive in mythos, though?) who Selene fell in love with. She asked Zeus to grant him immortal youth and Zeus said “Sure” and bade Endymion to sleep forever. 

Alternatively, Pseudo-Apollodorus says that Zeus told Endymion He would grant the youth a wish, Endymion chose immortality and eternal youth in sleep. Upon seeing him asleep on a rock, Selene falls in love. 

However it happens, as Endymion sleeps, Selene comes down from the sky and over an uncertain timeline, bears him 50 daughters. 

Yes. Selene r*ped this dude in his sleep at least 50 times. At least one source says She did this every night, so WAY more than 50 times. 

So where are all the Zeus-haters? Why does Selene not get the same hate? After all, in this mythos, She is not much better than He is. 

I’m not saying Selene worshipers should get hate, I just think it’s hypocritical for people to read enough into mythos to hate Zeus, but then suddenly when it comes to Selene (who has a huge following in modern times), no one knows about this? I’ve not seen any Selene worshipers bash on Zeus, but is this myth so buried that in our modern, moon-loving New Age communities not that many people know about it (especially with the popularity of the Greek pantheon)? It’s not like She has a huge list of myths to wade through. 

Sources
Endymion’s page on Theoi.com 

• Encyclopedia section
• Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 10. 127 ff (trans. Way)
• Lucian, Dialogues of the Gods 19 (trans. Fowler)
• Seneca, Phaedra 309 ff (trans. Miller)

There is something that I want to say here

Pausanias says:

Selene they say, fell in love with this Endymion and bore him fifty daughters

That’s the only mention of the girls, no other source mentions them. Pausanias makes no mention of the sleep part, but even if we say that’s because it was too popular for him to mention it, he never says whether those girls were born pre or after sleep. Because as we can see from this

Endymion did know of Selene’s existence.

lookatmysons:

I think it’s very important for those reading Lore Olympus to remember that Apollo is not always a golden child in Greek mythology.

Some great examples of him being an antagonist (and r*pist) are Daphne’s and Acantha’s stories! Daphne and Acantha are very similar tales; Apollo was shot by Eros and fell in love with Daphne, who was eventually turned into a Laurel tree to escape him, and Acantha was a nymph that Apollo had fallen in love with (of his free will) and tried to rape her- she scratched him, and was turned into the Acanthus plant for doing so.

Almost none of the Greek gods are free of wrath, and Rachel’s use of Apollo is not unjustified; just because he’s a daisy in some tales doesn’t mean he’s not been an oleander in others. Pretty, but deadly.

“Apollo is not always a golden child in Greek mythology” That’s true.

What isn’t true is Acantha. There is no character named Acantha in Greek mythology, or any character who scratched Apollo’s face (or anyone’s face) and turned into a the acanthus plant. She does not exist.

i mean since it's Apollo & all (& i do mean all) of Apollo's romances end tragically i can see Icarus' story being a successful romance that just ends badly & has him fall into the arms of Poseidon (which if u know anything about greek mythology is an entirely different problem & not really a good thing for Icarus) (honestly Hades & Persephone ends up being the healthiest greek god romance & depending on which version u read it starts w Hades kidnapping Persephone) (istg the fucking greeks)

Hm

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List of Greek Gods/Notable Figures I Wish to See in Lore Olympus:

1. Iris: Goddess of Rainbows

- She’s basically Hera’s personal assistant

- Like Hermes, she is another messenger god

Why?

Amazing character design!!

She has wings and as the goddess of rainbows, I’m sure it would be incorporated into the design.

2. Hermaphroditus: God of Adrogyny, Sexuality, Marriage, and Fertilty

- A NON-BINARY GREEK GOD!!

- Assosiated with Eros for being a god of a form of love

- Protects people from sexual harassment

Why?

We could get a canon LGBTQ+ Greekk God!! (I think it’s discussed that Eros might be, but it’s not clear)

Hermaphroditus actually went through something very similar in the myths that Persephone is going through in Lore Olympus. [Hint: Apollo] They could help each other out!

3. Pan: God of Nature, the Wild, Rustic Music, and Goats

- Half goat!

- Learned to play instruments just to spite Apollo

- The only Greek God known to ever die!

Why?

I don’t know? He just seems like he would be a cool dude in Lore Olympus. In canon, he’s kind of gross, but I think Rachel wouldn’t discuss that and change his story. I just imagine Hozier.

4. Achilles and Patroclus: Important figures during the Trojan War

- Achilles is the son of Thetis

- Achilles and Patroclus were known as lovers

Why?

More gay characters!!

Works with the theory of Thetis getting pregnant to affect Zeus and Hera’s marriage.

5. Macaria [Makaria], Zagreus, and Melinoe: Goddess of Blessed Death, God of Mysteries and Hunting, and Goddess of Ghosts and Nightmares

- The children of Persephone and Hades

- Macaria’s SO is Thanatos and ‘Blessed Death’ basically means she represents good people who have died

- Zagreus is associated with Dionysus and is basically the Artemis of the underworld

- Melinoe has a half and half appearance, which some might argue is vitiligo.

Why?

If Persephone and Hades decide to have kids, it would be nice if Rachel could stay true to their canon kids, but that’s up to her.

Melinoe could have a cool character design.

Macaria and Thanatos’s relationship is comedic gold.

Zagreus is surrounded by such powerful women and would respect them so much!!

If they are not triplets (which would have a funny reaction from Hades and Persephone), I think the order of their births would be Macaria, Zagreus, then Melinoe. In time they might also have Ploutos who was also a child of Persephone and Hades in some myths, though they have a sad back story.

6. Dionysus: God of Wine, Parties, and Madness

- Son of Zeus and Semele

- Has a YOLO life style

Why?

With the way this story is going, he will probably be born soon!

He is going to be so fucking funny. He just doesn’t given a shit bro!

Friendly reminder there are different versions of the myths. Some gods have different parentage or roles.

Hermaphroditus didn’t protect people from sexual harassment, though he did have the appearance of man and woman both.

Melinoe is very clearly stated to be Zeus’ daughter, not Hades, and in versions where Zagreus is Hades’ son, Persephone is not named as the mother. Persephone is not stated to be Macaria’s mother either. Also she and Thanatos are not in a relationship.

Titans and gods are not different. Titans are gods. You are confusing the word ‘gods’ with ‘Olympians’. When people think of the Greek gods, they tend to think of the Olympians, and that’s entirely accurate, but it’s also a false conflation because it suggests that the only Greek gods were the Olympians, which isn’t the case.

As told in Hesiod’s Theogony, there were several generations of deities that preceded the Olympians. I’m not even going to try and go into a comprehensive list of gods, because that differs from canon to canon and also there are approximately 395649586204, but here’s a very basic rundown. 

First, you had the primordial deities, who were a group of gods (yes, gods) from whom all the following gods were descended. This group of gods includes Uranus (the sky), Gaia (the Earth), Nyx (the night), Eros, and a whole bunch of others. 

After the primordial gods came the Titans, who were a group of gods (please pay careful attention to that word) who would ultimately overthrow their predecessors after Cronus castrated his father, Uranus, and become the ruling generation of deities, until they too were overthrown by the Olympian gods by the means of yet another father-son castration, this time delivered by Zeus to Cronus. Like the Olympians, who were based on Mount Olympus, the Titans were said to live on Mount Othrys. Among the first generation of twelve Titans (please pay careful attention to that number) were Cronus, Rhea, Oceanus, Hyperion and Iapetus. The second generation was made up of the children of Hyperion and Iapetus, and included Atlas, Leto, Prometheus, Epimetheus, and Metis.

From the Titans came the Olympians. Now, just like the Titans, there are twelve main gods who are counted amongst the Olympians. This is because the idea of twelve gods - just as there were twelve Titans too - is a very ancient one, much older than any written source, and may have theological roots in the Ancient Near East. Although many sources differ exactly on who the main twelve Olympians were, you’ll likely be familiar with Zeus, Hera, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Ares, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Hermes, Demeter, and Dionysus. Hades isn’t always counted as an Olympian due to his Underworld base, but he is part of the same generation. (Edit for clarity - there are about 394572946 more than twelve Olympians, but there are twelve of them who are considered the core of the pantheon)

Now, after the Olympians were born, there was a great war between the gods - not between the Olympians themselves, but between the Olympians and the Titans. The outcome of this war would determine which group ultimately had power over the universe. This war is known as the Titanomachy, and the Olympians ultimately won, overthrowing the Titans (apart from those who sided with the Olympians, such as Prometheus) and becoming the dominant group of gods. As they had won the power of the universe, all the Olympians were granted certain powers over various areas, which the Titans, as the losers of the war, were denied. As above, the idea of a war between gods was likely derived from a Near Eastern tradition.

The Olympians are the gods that we generally think of when we hear about the Greek gods because these are the deities who were worshipped as part of daily life, and to whom temples were dedicated and sacrifices were made, but that’s just because the narrative stated that they had defeated their godly predecessors, and not because their predecessors weren’t gods.

So, in response to your politely worded question and delicate enquiry - no, Titans and gods are not different. You’re just making the very common and entirely understandable mistake of assuming that the most well-known Greek gods were the only Greek gods, and that all Greek gods were part of the same generation. Either that, or you watched Disney’s Hercules recently, in which case I hate to be the one to have to tell you that this:

does not quite match the classical sources.