The most underrated part of the pokemon anime is how team rocket changed how they felt about wobbuffett. Right up until the end of gen iv, they were like, “dude get in the ball please you’re really being annoying and loud” and wobbuffett really didn’t give a shit about those comments and just kept being loud as always. wobbuffett got some time in pokemon contests, but was never really the star of the show or anything. He was just always there, just vibing and not much more.
But then comes gen v, and it’s time to go to unova, and giovanni is like “hey meowth has special privileges but wobbuffett is really gonna be sus because it’s not unova native, so it cant come with you to unova” and suddenly they were like. “Oh jeez wobbuffett, you gonna be ok on your own?” and wobbuffett just gave its usual proud salute before they flew off to unova.
Then gen v is over. Gen vi time, and team rocket heads back to headquarters. And they are legit SO excited to see wobbuffett again. They missed that guy so much during their time in unova. And ever since then, they’ve shown such adorable appreciation for wobbuffett.
Actually, it did what it always did - it popped up randomly and that was the end of it (not much of a reunion…). And then it went back to being its usual self, mostly limited to gag and background role, without much of an “agency” as a character and that’s the case today honestly. That being said, I like it how it powered up and remains useful in battles or gets to be part of the team (to the point of Wobbu getting an audience with the boss alongside them). Still, one could argue - as with many other things concerning TR - good things about the blue guy are underutilized while the bad, tired tropes and gags overutilized.
Uh so I have lots of stuff going on, health and such… and I’m behind 3 pokemon episodes and really doesn’t bother me sadly
Just looks pretty boring tbh and after I checked today uh it’s even worse than general regularity
Goh will just randomly catch more pokemon, one episode is Team Rocket randomly caring for a patch of earth with a mecha apparently (hopefully framed as their free time but probably random and not clarified huh), the upcoming “spy” episode probably a filler nothing cool that it has potential to be and Goh doesn’t even have a reason to use a spy pokemon when his evolves… Team Rocket could but of course they are not being utilized like that *sight*
Oh and yes, apparently Suicune is being chased by random hunters (AGAIN, legendary chased by hunters but Team Rocket isn’t around for some reason and they can never come up with appropriate tech as of late.. just nets) and it’s actually owned by Goh now. DUH. Legendary pokemon that’s not a threat like Eternatus is in a ball and stashed away at the park… and won’t be used for anything important or plot relevant I guess so we might as well forget about it!
About Koharu… she seems to be in a transition state from unique pokeani girl to a tired regular pokeani girl as part of the three-some and invested in pokemon or specific pokemon activity - probably following in her father’s footsteps after all… meh, REALLY? Oh and right, from all Pokemon available she got an Eevee - the damn Eevee being featured yet again and owned by a female
I think the series has identity crisis. It IS being innovative (kinda), yes, but it is trying to cater to everyone while at the same time afraid to do something truly huge and unique.
1. It fixed Team Rocket quality problems/why are they even still employed? problem while retaining their *irrelevance* in the series and plots. At the same time they’re considered “problems” by other members which is damn conflicting - simply because the tradition states they need to be third wheels when confronted with other rockets? Idk honestly, it puzzles me. It doesn’t make any sense. So are they contributing somehow or not? If not why are they being employed and given missions?
2. They do the “all regions” premise and bring back nostalgia, old characters, or places from old series. At the same time they AVOID *iconic* places and make many locations/scenarios exclusively game-based in order to cater to game nostalgia or new players from Let’s Go - for example. Also, those returns don’t mean anything, they are pretty frequent but don’t influence plot. It’s like you’re given something and then it turns out you were not, let’s forget about it again. Oh, and not even Team Rocket can bring back their old mottos to spice things up. DAMN IT.
3. Goh catches pokemon… no, he spams pokemon… and not even legendary can resist his awesome allure and powerful pokeballs. But it doesn’t bring any development, it doesn’t have any purpose after all, it’s just there to cater to Pokemon Go players and “collectible” mindset of a fan
4. The collectible mindset and no plot aspects are very prevalent, also lots of silly fillers (sometimes bordering on questionably appropriate which makes it more akin to franchises like Yokai Watch)
5. At the same time there are no ridiculously-intriguing SILLY plot bits and returning characters. You know, like in Yokai Watch…
6. But… they did experiment with “segments” - those weird two part episodes with openings in weird places and they seemed to work pretty well, even Team Rocket got cool relevant segment roles. At the same time… no, they won’t introduce returning segments in accordance with lore and with lots of silly plot bits or something, just regular pokemon episodes.
7. Hey but they still have Ash, he takes part in this competition to become top 1 and he seems like such veteran trainer now. This is sort of continuation of the old saga and caters to long time fans (kind of), this is also the plot so they have an ongoing plot (boring and stale as it is atm)
8. Team Rocket also spam pokemon with their gacha machine (which is a gacha similar to Yokai Watch gacha…). This is actually pretty cool and innovative, also huge potential and helps them become legit threats when needed. Only… eh… really sounds like the series DOESN’T need them to become legit threats! So the gacha becomes useless in the long run. I guess that’s the end of it, won’t be used in plot or even utilized in Team Rocket scheme bigger than their weekly filler battles. MEH!
9. Legendary fest, legendary on the openings all the time, more legendary fillers. But yeah exactly they are fillers - so just the collectible aspect of it
10. But wait, there is big plot too - they did the Galar arc. But even then it had some inconsistencies and was rushed, Rose just crash-landed and… is gone. Maybe dead lol. TR didn’t really matter while at the same time properly characterized and given orders by Giovanni off-screen.
11 … and yet Team Rocket only has a bazooka even when sent by the boss and informed about their target… because god forbid team rocket use “non-traditional” means even though Original Series TR used bazookas, lasers and energy fields (both the TRio and other members!).
12. Also, TRio’s balloon seems to be something that’s considered “old” now (not modern enough for new audiences if you will, and I agree with this sentiment) and thus sparsely used. But they didn’t really replace it with something new, Sun and Moon at least had Bewear, here… nothing. No truck, no car, no jet, no jetpacks, no boat, no modern aircraft with steam or small TR blimp, nothing.
13. We have school so normal kids can relate. Koharu has a normal family, often showcased. But not much is known about her school in terms of plot… and why Goh is free to drop out of school… and still be part of it… and now Koharu will probably drop out of school too… pretty confusing. What was even the purpose of the school in the first place. I believe I know why Ash is not involved in a schooling system, probably because pokemon trainers who start early on are not required to attend but… well yeah in lore explanation/plot seems like a must here!
14. Oh and yes, almost forgot! They don’t really do Galar and thrive on cheap nostalgia. This is not a Galar-based series. Not even framed as Sword and Shield series. But hey, actually, sometimes they do Galar which seems like it’s gonna become more relevant and prevalent but not really, bad call! Back to Kanto, sometimes other completely random places in other regions, less frequently Alola and Unova… for some reason :) But then we gotta promote the heck out of Sword and Shield material so let’s introduce major characters from those games and create an “arc” (I wish…) or some one time “huge” event in Galar again. Back to Kanto and regular formula, soulless pokemon collectibles again. My head is spinning god damnit!
15. Ash and Goh are supposed to do Pokemon research work but mostly they are having random adventures and taking part in competitions… like in every other series. The research part is basically catch a Pokemon/help a pokemon and tell the professor about it, nothing interesting to learn, nothing to discover or unravel. The professor and his assistants are bore, why do they even exist and they are ORIGINAL characters created for this series specifically, mind you! Sounds like they just needed an excuse for the cast to locate legendaries (because it’s lazy writing lol) and someone who will pay for their flights. I wonder why Team Rocket and Giovanni can’t detect all those anomalies… LOL.
Ok, someone tell me this is normal and NOT an identity crisis? You can’t have everything in one magical formula but at the same time reset the clock every single episode and leave a viewer with a completely stale “traditional” formula requiring him to forget and adjust their expectations yet again (yet… all those exciting places in the whole pokemon lore and world we could visit… in a relevant way… all those legends that could actually contribute… in a relevant way… all those returns… and so on). Because then it becomes saturated, conflicting and unexciting.
They need to decide. They are either like Yokai Watch with fun returning silliness and inconsequential returning segments, where cool plot bits, ongoing side stories and development are prevalent and brought up but never serious enough to shake up “weekly” status quo and make you expect a huge ongoing plot out of this. Or… they are like Pokemon of the past, more realistic approach to the game lore, stories with morality and weight not a silly fest treated like it doesn’t matter, series with actual ongoing plot only better written, with fixed mistakes, more innovative and even braver than in the past. They can’t be both, those are mutually exclusive!
I love that Team Rocket are the only ones in Alola who know about Nanu being an ol'buddy of their beloved boss… and you’re going to tell me they just go with it and never bring it up again ?? Where’s the jealousy ?? The drama ?? Where’s the back and forth between utter seething rage at being less appreciated than a lazy old cop and the frenetic and complex manoeuvres to win his approval and earn brownie point with Giovanni? Where’s Acerola dropping by and ruining their plans either inadvertently or on the contrary being so enthusiastic it goes *too* well and Nanu is sent hiding into his police station to survive the overwhelming wave of fluff and attention ?
Come on I need the TRio struggling with weird daddy issues with a beleaguered Nanu who just wants to take a damn nap but won’t ask Giovanni to call them back because he’s stubborn like that.
Well yeah a shame, the Nanu/Giovanni thing was such hype but was NEVER brought up again. Freaking annoying. Staring SM Pokemon seems more willing to innovate (after most of XY I mean) but they NEVER utilize their innovations or cool story bits. They’re just up and gone. When will they learn to write exciting material that actually sticks with us???
Headcanon: Dr. Zager used to be the head of the research department, but he stepped down to focus on his research because he didn’t like dealing with the, uh…stress…of managing the department. Dr. Sebastian assumed the position after him, his calm and collected personality making him a foil to the fiery, eccentric Dr. Namba…and thus, better suited to the role.
Oh fuck. Yes THIS, exactly.
Been watching the Mega Evolution Specials again today, and always get amused by this scene. It’s just “girlfriend” isn’t a word I expected to hear from Lysandre, ever. (And also him, being the tree of a guy he is, bending over to get a better look at her.)
And Alain just doesn’t even know how to respond.
Also, you just know what he is thinking in his head: oh I guess I better add her to the chosen ones, Alain
In this picture from one of the new trailers, Koko’s real parents are shown. But curiously, his father has a Biotope Company symbol on his coat, creating a link that was not previously known. Dr. Zed and Karen, the movie’s human supporting characters, also work for the same company - perhaps one or both of them know or are connected to why Koko was lost in the jungle to begin with?
Man the “dr. Zed” bit is too traumatic to post around because when read too quickly reads almost as “dr. Zager”
My gender is whatever the fuck Team Rocket had goin on. Which member? Doesn’t matter.
I guess it’s called “i don’t give a fuck about the label of the gender i have who cares to bother also fuck society we can do what we want when we want” but they’re still “gendered“ people and pretty much easily identify as their birth genders
The Pokemon Coco x GO Shiny Celebi event is live. The research isn’t limited, fortunately, so we can complete the event at our leisure.
Awww well, I’m always amazed by this
“the boss has high expectations for us, after all”
how consistent this depiction of them has become + (despite their well-portrayed sympathetic features) actively trying to achieve results WORTHY of those expectations, like damn, this thing was in Masters, this thing is even in Go and movie promotional materials
but in the realm of animation, the characters’ main occupation, they always come across as if they’ve forgotten what kind of expectations those are or = best case scenario so far = they are characterized properly in that regard but it is mentioned very briefly or given extremely limited screen time… while in some other places and episodes they’ll still get screwed up and come across as people who forgot all about it, a “team rocket” being considered outcasts within team rocket
save me because this is an anomaly i can’t understand. it’s like the characters ARE like this now (when back to the bosses’ good graces) and almost EVERYONE creative behind Pokemon franchise gets it but there is an invisible hand that prevents them from ever expressing it in animation in a more active, more interesting, more engaging way
Gosh so dull and stupid
At last, I’m REALLY REALLY glad that each episode there is actually a Team Rocket for new audiences that evokes a feeling a modern day Team Rocket ought to convey - quality and fun, lots of cool shenanigans and unique quirks, all of it high quality, but also LEGIT members of their organization who are implied to matter outside of their encounters with Goh/Satoshi because apparently the boss gives them missions and debriefs, which is suggested by more than one mention. Most of the time they’re also legit threat in fights not jokes, and gatcha machine is a cool mechanic here, to give them a “new angle” - I can’t really relate anymore except “cool Team Rocket go destroy them now!!!” (since I’m not such a fan of all-Pokemon and new mons these days) but I can easily imagine some kids who like/just discovered the TRio being legit excited about this and wondering what powerful TR Pokemon will pop up this week. They get this new “signature move” in a cool new way, lots of quality and many appearances that don’t feel forced. They belong.
And yet… classic blast-offs, sometimes handled too quickly for my liking. Feels meh. Also, I’m quite confused and I’m still worried they DID NOT learn their lesson because we still had that weird Matori episode where she said they are problems within Team Rocket which is why they were sent on “vacation” which she said was by the order of the boss. I know it’s shitty writing and it really shouldn’t have happened just like that damn forced betrayal in Sun and Moon that Giovanni doesn’t care about… sure, *I* know… but SMART kids can be confused and rightfully so. If you write them as legit members of Team Rocket (sure unique but LEGIT) which you clearly do, then for god’s sake let other members of Team Rocket treat them as such. Make up your damn mind! Also… high quality and lack of jarring mistakes in all other episodes don’t erase the fact that 2019-2020 Team Rocket’s downsides remain. For one, they lost their TR motto signature. Seriously, they do it less and less - because the writers are lazy they don’t want to create unique sequences but at the same time they know it’s annoying if the same motto footage pops up each episode, like it happened in XY or even sometimes SM, so now they started to recite the sequence less and less. But it kind of… makes Team Rocket TRio miss what’s been there from the start, their very soul, their signature quirk behind charming, poetic villains. These days they’re still being called charming villains, Team Rocket “righteous villains” and “Team Rocket that Team Rocket really needs” cool fancy words sooo the TRio sure but new kids may have a really HARD time figuring out what EXACTLY differentiates them from other charming, sympathetic villains with unique quirks. And the come back to a single Kanto motto doesn’t help… in a series that’s happening across all regions where it would be a perfect idea to return to ALL old mottos, at the very least, and have more variety to choose from so then you can include motto in pretty much every episode. FUCK THEM, seriously so frustrating! Ugh. Also, even though they do seem to matter… their involvement in plots and their boss matter little in the writers room when plots are being planned. Trying to catch Eternatus in a net? Really? Is that what Giovanni has planned? He gave them no tech, no useful weapon? Morpeko thing pops up but compared to Bewear seems underdeveloped and forgettable. Their secret lair is not being used. AGAIN. As a result they have no subplot, just regular stuff, so in terms of some recurring developments even Koharu seems to be treated better
even though she seems to be treated like shit so far. So huh, wow, idk. Maybe it’ll get better? Maybe…? Maaaaybe…???
my babies ❤️
First i didn’t really get why they starved themselves, because only Morpeko had to eat in the contest??
then i realized they just did it out of solidarity?
[and i guess, because starving a pokémon is a topic too dark for the pokémon anime, so with portraying all of them that starved, it was just a funny, stupid Team Rocket thing to do]
whatever it was a funny scene. but unneccessary pls just let my babies eat.
I think it was actually as a form of training - so they gave it ALL of their food to eat so it’s better prepared (assuming it didn’t take ALL of their food anyway… so it’s not like they had a choice). Still yeah, the Morpeko thing seems weird, it appeared only a few times out of the blue and ever since we no longer see their secret lair, and true I don’t like them starved and drawed horribly thin like that
Seriously thou guys, I really hope that Gou ends up changing his goal at some point, hell I’d be fine if it was the final episode for him (whenever that would be), or at least adjust his dream a bit, because as much as I do adore Gou’s character nowdays I do NOT like his goal. I mean yeh. He’s a GO trainer insert. But imo not everything from the games should be adapted to anime. I just don’t like the idea of disrupting the flow of nature by catching the Pokémon that are essential to it, UNLESS they SOMEHOW explain that a new legendary comes to replace the caught one to keep the balance up. Like, seriously.
I also have to admit I feel threatened by Gou’s whole presence because he’s taking SO MUCH focus and Satoshi seems like the second wheel a lot of the time nowdays. Why threatened? Because I am honestly falling into the pit of Satoshi getting retired theory. And I hate it here lol
In a sense I wouldn’t mind it, as Satoshi’s had a good run for 20+ years and there’s really not that much to develop with his character anymore, but also, I really just wish the balance between characters was better and that I didn’t feel like the writing is purposely trying to write Gou as appealing as possible so people would focus on Gou’s story instead of Satoshi. I know, this is stupid of me to think about. Thou after hearing how director didn’t expect the need of development for Gou and Satoshi to be so much (really just Gou tbf if we look at the focus episode counts for both, it’s more for Gou), it does explain a LOT.
I guess I’m just trying to say that despite everything Journeys’ has tried to do, I am still not convinced on Gou’s goal. And I mean his goal, not his character. I really hope he tweaks it.
Yeah same, the dynamic between the characters is really cool but gou goal… well. It feels wrong. It was fine when it was the beginning of his Pokemon journey but now when he matured and understand Pokemon better… feels wrong. And sure the games are being stupid like that in pokeball you go and into pc but anime should not equal the games, that’s why it exists in the first place. The whole Mewtwo episode did nothing in regard to Gou’s goal I hoped Mewtwo would at least challange him to rethink it but yep nothing… next think we know Go will catch even more of legendaries perhaps even Mew more collectibles here we go. Thus feels stupid in a series that has team rocket ALSO trying to catch Pokemon on a frequent basis without consideration whetehr they would like it or not, not to mention fair fight. And when Go throws a pokeball without warning… which is somehow super super powered-up for some reason so it works like pokemon go. .. well how is that fair
This scene has fascinated me ever since I was a kid. I mean, if you think about it, Meowth didn’t really learn “Humanspeak,” at least not the way we normally think about learning a language. He was already perfectly capable of understanding it (even if there were a couple words here and there he wasn’t familiar with, like “seashell” or “rocket”). And that seems to be a common thing across all Pokemon–just look at how baby Pokemon can start taking orders from their trainers from the moment they hatch.
So his problem wasn’t learning what the human words meant. It was learning how to pronounce them. And judging by the seasons changing outside the window during his learning-to-talk montage, it took him at least a year to say his first words. But once he does–once he makes it through that tongue twister for the first time–it’s like a switch is flipped and he instantly becomes fluent. In those last couple gifs you can already see him casually throwing around “huh” and “hey,” and by the next scene he’s stringing together sentences.
What does all this mean? Is pronunciation the only barrier keeping Pokemon from talking? Could any Pokemon do what Meowth did as long as they were as
ridiculously stubbornhardworking as he was? Or are most Pokemon physically incapable of saying anything but their names? If so, what makes Meowth unique?
…We’ll probably never know, but it’s fun to think about.
@scientificpokedex, ya got anything on this??
I sure do!
As you can imagine, ability to mimic human speech is really made up of two parts: physically being capable of making sounds, and mentally being able to both produce and interpret language.
For the first part, the physical aspect of speech, you need to understand that the human species spent a very long time evolving and developing parts that make communication easier. We have long throats, small mouths, deeper voice boxes, strong and rounded tongues, extremely good control of our breaths. All of these affect what sounds an animal can make: and our vocal systems are extremely complex compared to most of the animal kingdom.
Therefore, to be able to make sounds similar to human speech, an animal needs to have the right parts. Parrots, for example, are famously good at copying human speech, mostly because they too have strong, flexible, and rounded tongues like humans: meaning they can produce a lot of the same sounds.
Still, even looking at our closest relatives (apes), we can see why a lot of animals can’t imitate human speech. Many animals have a horizontal snout, whereas humans are set up very vertically. Even this severely limits an animal’s potential for mimicking human speech. So it’s very interesting, perhaps, that Meowth doesn’t seem to have much of a snout and is also bipedal, so it likely has a vertical setup as well: this is probably a big factor in why it can speak so fluently.
On that note, check out this video of an orangutan attempting human speech:
Since speech is controlled by breath, too, an animal’s lungs capabilities also limits how well it can imitate speech. Most creatures don’t have as much control over their breaths as humans. For example, a human could take a long breath immediately followed by a short breath to form a sentence with different syllables. Other animals simply don’t have that kind of lung control for variability.
Still, it should be noted that some animals are clever enough to get around the physical barriers. One elephant, for example, was shown to mimic human speech (Korean) by putting its trunk inside its mouth, and using its trunk as a makeshift tongue to make the noises. So even if an animal doesn’t have all the right parts, they might be clever enough to get around.
Still, simply the physical aspect proves that not all pokémon are capable of human speech. You can imagine Beautifly, an insect with no lips or vocal chords or even a jaw, just a proboscis instead of a tongue. Beautifly would have no hope of ever imitating human speech, because it just isn’t capable of making the right sounds. (How it says its own name is probably more of a whistle? If I had to guess).
Okay, now for the mental aspect: The part of the brain that interprets speech is different from the part of the brain that produces speech. This diagram is for a human, but many studies have shown similar setups in other animals. For example, dogs which understand commands like “sit” or “stay” have strong speech interpretation areas in their brains. Most pokémon, too, seem to share this strength: like mentioned above, Meowth seemed capable of understanding human speech all along, but not able to mimic it yet.
If an animal simply wants to be able to mimic human speech, it really only needs the “speech production” part of the brain (Broca’s area) – not even the interpretation (Wernicke’s area). However if it wants to be able to effectively communicate, especially like Meowth, it needs very strong in both.
So the fact that Meowth is able to both understand and produce language means both parts of its brain are very strong. And that isn’t true for all animals in our world, either. Cows, for example, don’t have the right pathways in their brain to be able to learn how to make any sound other than “moo”. Zebra finches, on the other hand, only learn how to make sounds when they are young: Once they grow older, they are literally incapable of learning any new sounds and are stuck with the same bird calls for the rest of their lives.
So again, this would be a reason for not all pokémon can learn human speech. Their brains just haven’t evolved for that. Miltank may just be out of luck.
Bringing this all together…
For a pokémon to be able to mimic human speech, it needs to have a vocal system capable of making the same sounds as a human, and it needs to have a strong Brocca’s area of the brain for producing speech. Language interpretation is a different part of the brain than language production: just because a pokémon can understand human language exceptionally well does not mean it would be able to mimic it.
So, no, pronunciation is not the only barrier keeping pokémon from talking. I’m sure that there are other species out there besides Meowth that could do it, but hopefully now you have a better idea of why Meowth is so special! Physically, it must be different from cats in our world and have a flexible tongue, a vertically-oriented vocal system, deeper vocal chords, good control over it’s breath. More importantly, perhaps, a large part of Meowth’s brain is devoted to both interpreting, learning, and producing speech.
So…why is only Team Rocket’s Meowth capable of speech, and not all Meowths we see? I’d chalk that up to necessity. An animal in the wild who has never heard or seen a human obviously has no need to imitate human speech. Not all orangutans or elephants in zoos attempt to mimic humans either: the few examples I mentioned are all very unique instances. It seems that only the creatures most social with humans, and encounter them the most, are the ones who try to speak.
So our Meowth? He just spent so much time around humans – and so little time around other pokémon – that picking up human speech seemed a necessity. Like the elephant in the video, he wanted to bond with humans so he taught himself how to speak.
Meowth, that’s right!
Meowth is able to talk.
I can’t believe I’ve read the entire thing and it makes so much sense now..,.
1997 vs. 2017
Okay I know I reblogged this already but can we talk about their poses here
Like Jessie’s throwing the peace sign at the lense, grinning; James is smirking over his shoulder and tossing back a rose- they both KNOW they’re on camera and are living for it
and then meowth’s just like “shit I dropped the bag OH SHIT IS THAT A CAMERA”
That finale was crap unfortunately. Not only rushed but… Rose acts like an even bigger madman and no ending there ? Eternatus in a fucking pokeball really? That was easy… Wolfs did the same thing they did in the games and no explanation why they’re the only ones that can stop Eternatus. Team rocket got cool start by then blast off almost immedietely. Also, no explanation why Eternatus was free, before in the skies, but a few episodes later caught by Rose… apparently. And they’ve even reminded us of this encounter in the plane at the start of this arc! LOL So what were they thinking? Let’s end this SwSh fest we don’t care. Probably.
But the biggest star of the episode was definitely Eternatus because it is so damn evil. Those beams. Damn. And am i the only one who noticed the biggest thing off… that fucking music during the final part when it obliterated Leon and changed??? This was music from XY the one so often used for Lysandre climax (but also evil Calamanero hmm) and apart from Alola episode (which was done for obvious, justified reasons, to evoke the Alolan feel) this was THE ONLY TIME the old music was ever used in this series! FUCK. Now, this justifies all of my headcanons… that Rose was Lysandre-posesed and/or influenced by Eternatus, that it was all according to Eternatus plan. and maybe Calamanero because they’re it’s servants. You can’t make this shit up, the evidences are there and that music track was so damn off and suspicious - the final icing on the cake.
It’s still so fucking stupid because we could have gotten a well-written self-contained story rather than such a crap with plot holes and weirdness. But I’ll take it over “seriously written Rose as a noble character” and maybe turn into canon later, in my edits.