Idk if ur still answering asks while ur on break but do u think post redemption- Boscha and Luz would get along?
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I hear ya <3 i’d like to think that they could eventually be comfy with each other’s presence, and maybe they wouldn’t be entirely “buddy buddy”, (as they don’t seem like the kind of people to form that type of bond) but a mutual ally-ship and understanding can be reached.
Basing it off of how she reacted to Lilith, it wouldn’t be immediate, and Boscha would have had to patch things up first with Willow, while also simultaneously dealing with Luz not believing her at all. (This isn’t even Luz’s fault to begin with, because Boscha generally rubs off as cruel and condescending even in her redemption: think of it as Manray practicing his “goodness” lessons)
Luz would probably find every anger test in the book to test Boscha to her limit, and Boscha, once finally proving not to blow over, Luz would trust her judgement and leave her be, eventually developing a respect. And much later on, a light-hearted banter dynamic.
at least, this is how i’d like to imagine it happening, aha.
thank you so much for all the likes and followers <3
i want you guys to know that i appreciate everything, and this has been a slow upbringing to my esteem the past month.
i would also like to state i will probably will be going on a TOH hiatus after I post my “Tiny Fantasy” boscha pmv this/next week, i want to slowly distance myself away from the community for a little while (at least until s2 is revealed) so i don’t have to deal with people indirectly insulting me because of boscha.
so I’m taking a mental health break, and it’ll be longer in between for posts, feel free to unfollow, no pressure!
(I am always working on my frame by frame boschlow animation roughdraft, but i suspect that won’t be done for a long while)
Love your Boscha content! I agree she’s a very fascinating character to me (granted all of them are but still)! I feel like Boscha’s worst fear would be herself, but... weak, lonely, and unpopular. I think Boscha is terrified of becoming a ‘loser’ and that’s why she’s so adamant about being on top. Maybe she even doesn’t want to be like her mother, who seems a bit clingy during their brief interaction in episode 6. Boscha realizing she became the very thing she swore to avoid becoming...
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Oooh thanks for the clearer idea anon!! <3 I’m glad you enjoy this type of content from me because it’s really soothing to analyze and make artwork like this..
sometimes the things we fear are bigger than just what makes us uncomfortable
#this is from my side project pmv #it should be done soon #the owl house #toh fanart#boscha toh#boscha #enchanting grom fright #theowlhouse#toh #my emotional support fidget spinner triclops #grom #boscha the owl house #i love me some dark concepts #myart
obviously we got the trophies, medals, flags, r/actuallesbian idol posters, posters of herself, books, bags, and
standard therapeutic ware; candles, diffuser, and tissues. Why these items specifically?
It could be a modeled humidifier and Boscha has asthma problems, or maybe a common cold, but continuing to play grudgby would be difficult with asthma, and she’s shown no current signs of sickness.
Diffusers are commonly used to calm you down and candles are also apart of aromatherapy. As for tissues,,
Well, why else would tissues be the closest thing to your bed? I’m not saying this is 100% the case, it’s just strongly mental illness-encoded considering they could’ve just put more trophies or anything else there in it’s place. It feels somewhat intentional to me combined with the morning pep talk to herself. Then again, I could be drawing lines from absolutely nowhere, it’s fun to think about though.
love how amity has concrete walls between her and the rest of the world, and how flawlesly luz parades up to it and casually climbs over it like it’s nothing
meanwhile, boscha’s walls are the size of the motherfuckin wall of china, and anyone who wants to attempt that is going to need to pull a mulan live action movie stunt in order to get over it
get a therapist or some shit
get a hobby, goddamn i hate being dysfunctional and relating to you, i really should just be posting art right now but i’m still mad that i never got to go to therapy this week.
sad kisses, I’ve been reading a lot of boscha angst lately
i also love how greenhouses have just generally become a boschlow fic symbol?? like, yes please I am living for it, please don’t ever stop, i want greenhouses in every fic, i will never get bored of it
Theory for Boschas home life and why she isnt a bad person inside + why we need to show bad parenting and maybe lean into abuse in shows for younger audiences.
BEFORE I START its okay if you dont agree with this, this is just my opinion based on my own experiences. Feel free to respond in the comments with your own ideas or anything.
And one thing id like to clarify about my second point is that I DO NOT MEAN SHOWING GRAPHIC DISPLAYS OF VIOLENCE! Please dont think thats what I mean, i will clarify what i do mean.
Im gonna start with Boschas home life. Im almost certain she has trauma rooted from abuse, and the reason i am sure of this is from one specific line in the show.
“You may be hated, so long as you are feared.”
Backstory that will lead to my point:
This was my mindset through a lot of my childhood to about halfway through 7th grade (in hs now). I didn’t have a great childhood and i have a lot of truama. I put up a lot of walls to “protect” me and i went out of my way to make myself seem like a threat so i wouldn’t be hurt anymore. I didn’t care about my image i just wanted to be feared. Thats what i felt i needed to do to stay safe. Thing is i have always been a caring person, i always cared about how my actions affected people but i would never let that side of me out until i got home at night and fell apart.
Truth is I hurt a lot of people in the process and i regret it everyday. Part of why I like boscha so much is how much is because i have related a lot to what i believe her backstory or behind the scenes life is like. Of course i was never the popular kid from a rich and powerful family- quite the opposite actually. And I am excited to see her redemption arc. People think that she can’t change, but i would argue that i am proof that she can.
I also believe we will start seeing more of this other side of boscha very soon, the one i have discussed above.
Boscha isnt a bad person inside. She needs help.
Notice how much she loves attention. Do you really think she would want it that much if she had it to begin with? The attention she gets at home is probably far from positive.
WiLW actually painted us a pretty good picture of what her life might be like. We see Boscha walking down the streets with people in aw, school teachers and the principal all in love with her, students typically like her in grudgby season. But uh… where are her parents? We pretty much saw everyone… except her parents. I bet they couldn’t give a crap about her. When they do show her attention i can only imagine what that would look like. Let me just say the picture i have in my mind isn’t pretty.
Now to my next point which may be a little controversial
We need to start showing bad parenting and lean into abuse in shows for younger audiences.
Heres why I say this:
Me and a lot of people i know had no clue the treatment we received wasnt right so we never really spoke up about it. While it all may have stopped for us and our situations have gotten much better for everyone involved, we are still suffering from the aftermath.
That makes me think, what if there was something to show us that our treatment wasnt right? What if there was a show we watched with characters in semi similar situations that told us thats not how its supposed to be?
Id like to state again that I do not mean showing displays of violence. Maybe a young character getting yelled at for an unwarranting reason, in a manner that is aggressive. Maybe a character getting slapped- I understand that may be too far, on the fence about that myself.
Think about it, if we can show kids what bad parenting looks like, and what good parenting looks like, think of how many will be able to actually get help.
Would this definitely be effective? No idea. I know theres a chance though.
Tell me what you think of these ideas in the comments
yes, yes, and YES! I agree with you on all of this. We need more abuse media in the sense that children can identify what they are going through easier, and maybe follow the steps in order to combat it. I’ve always related a lot to Boscha in the sense that she doesn’t see the issue with being hated and feared because she has not seen any positive reinforcement when she isn’t being so. (EG. That one line you pointed out, and I’m so glad you didn’t look passed it)
She feels the need to be scummy to be seen, in which ultimately could boil down to an influenced behavior by her parents, with deep seeded insecurity. Hell, the girl needs to sharply pep talk herself whenever she gets out of bed, that isn’t ego, that’s mental illness. It’s different in Amity’s case because we will get to see where her golden roots lie. She didn’t need to look for outside reinforcement, or popularity and achievements to feel secure, Amity only tried to keep a status under her parents’ command, and most definitely got attention from them.
Boscha, on the other hand, actually went out of her way to do this. Considering all of Boscha’s choices up to this point, Amity’s line “Oh please, I used to be like you Boscha, obsessed with status, challenging my competition, but I grew up. When will you?” is much MUCH more insensitive.
Boscha represents a very wide-spread mental health issue that has the perfect opportunity to be covered sometime in TOH’s future episodes. I’d love to see the coated image of trauma and lack of solidarity in her life, and I heavily hope they address it. The only interaction of her and her mom in Hooty’s Moving Hassle didn’t feel like Boscha was just annoyed with her mom for messaging her, but maybe it was the fact that her mom usually NEVER does this, and therefore she felt sad and betrayed by a sudden increase in care.
“Yes, it is sad that you’re asking” this isn’t a healthy family dynamic.
I want to see her grow, I want to see her improve, I want to see her develop as a character so people with destructive mindsets know they don’t need to be disliked to feel known.
You 👏 can 👏 be 👏 loved.
As someone who goes to a “sports-worshipping school”, it would also be great sport’s kid representation, in which some kids are treated emotionally cold at a young age in order to prepare for athleticism. All-in-all, I am 100% here for a story arc if she receives one.
haven’t seen enough people talking about boscha’s pet pixie that willow mentioned in ep 14.
she’s such an animal/demon person in canon (albeit, not the most responsible, but she’s got the spirit)
maybe the pixie escapes quite frequently, and willow usually wounds up bringing it back, which is how she knew it was boscha’s during this specific occurrence.
i hadn’t polished my owl house art style at the time, but this is from the “Days leading up to Grom” where everyone scribbled their Lumity art in predictions of how cute the episode would be. I’m just so happy we weren’t disappointed in the slightest. you know it’s a passion when i actually take time to draw a background.
as a 15 year old lesbian, I’m so happy i get to grow up with this on the TV screen thinking this is okay.
OKAY HI SO U ARE SO TALENTED??? LIKE IM NEUTRAL ON BOSCHA/WILLOW BC I PREFER THEIR POTENTIAL DYNAMIC AS FRIENDS BUT YOUR TAKE ON THEM IS SO CUTE AND MAKES ME SO HAPPY THANK U FOR THE FOOD
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DFGHDGH THANK YOU SO MUCHHHH <3 i really appreciate it this just absolutely made my day aaaaaaa
Over-analyzing; Boscha/Boschlow and the brilliance of intertwining character arcs
Conclusion
Please don’t piss on people over a fictional relationship, alright? You can like or dislike a crackship with no strings attached. I only want to see positive things on this tag, keep it wholesome. ✨ and have a good day.
onto the hot take
“and you did this for,, what?” “why not” “why” “why not” “why tho”
I was really nervous about posting this because I’ve gotten into arguments online about this topic that have really degraded my time and energy. I had to write it down because it was bothering me for some reason, it’s almost therapeutic. I mean.. I’ve spent about 8 hours on this post throughout the day, it’d be a waste to keep in my drafts.
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There’s obviously negativity for Boscha(well-deserved) resulting in a lot of negativity for Boschlow, and eventually bending backwards over to negativity and judgement on harmless shippers.
Other than stating the fact that you really shouldn’t be bashing or rudely insulting people who like this ship, I’d like to over-analyze the relationship itself within the canon area while giving insight on Boscha as a character.
Part of developing a series is giving intended characters chances to adapt or evolve from previous experiences with realistic compromises. While there is a line to cross, most, if not all Owl House characters stay behind that line. Whether this means the character evolving to be a villain or a hero is debatable, but they at least deserve development.
Not all fanon Boschlow content realistically portrays a dynamic between this evolution, causing outside shippers to see this as toxic or too quick, contrasting to the actual show. A representation of evolution between these two characters is hard to create within every fun shipping post, and not every post involving them should be obligated to explain themselves or portray an explanation on why it’s okay to ship them (other than the obvious answer of letting people do what they want); because it’s a bit complicated.
General knowledge
Willow is not expected to even look in Boscha’s direction and this is clearly set in stone to me and hopefully for the rest of the fandom, it’s also important to know that people who support this ship do NOT advocate toxicity for relationships.
Boscha obviously needs to lose her own problems and issues to move on. Her possible arc involves the pursuit of challenges and keeping a higher social status while eventually going to the bottom. Willow’s arc is about being more confident and asserting herself while eventually rising to the top. Currently, there isn’t any connection between the two other than clashing sides. But what if I said these could potentially intertwine?
Boscha/Amity: two opposite sides of the same coin (Episode 3+8/17)
Boscha is the narcissistic, secretly insecure bully (yes, the subtext is very clear in specific moments, I’m not just pulling that out of my ass) who strives for popularity and achievements. Amity is the secretly gold-hearted bully who strives for popularity and achievements as well.
Both have challenging parents who want their children to be better than each other, the extent that each mother goes has not been revealed but it is clearly a connection in early motive. (Amity’s mom forcing terrible behavior onto her, and Boscha’s mom reinforcing terrible behavior she already had) Amity used to be good at sports before academics, and Boscha having mostly played her whole life, were on the same team.
Even after middle school, they both still want to succeed socially/skillfully so much that they are willing to go out of moral value to protect/enforce their status with an iron fist (via. pre-episode 7).
Where do we draw the difference in character troupes if Boscha isn’t just the “bigger badder bully” to replace Amity? And if she isn’t the bigger evil, doesn’t that just make her a worse Amity knockoff?
The main difference between Amity and Boscha comes from external conflict vs. internal conflict, the driving forces between both characters and their arcs.
External
Amity’s conflict centers around external forces, (man vs man) as the only thing holding her back from fixing herself is her social surroundings. She needs to see better people in her life to know she can be better. Her resolution is that she needs to learn how to think internally to figure out what she truly wants, to deal with her external conflict.
This works, actually, and Amity becomes nicer.
So let’s flip it around.
Internal
Boscha’s conflict centers around internal forces (man vs mind) as it’s shown that she makes the decision to be disliked in favor of having more social power. She sees people being nice around her, but the only thing holding her back is her own goals. Her resolution is that she needs to consider those around her externally to fix this mindset, to deal with her internal conflict. This hasn’t happened yet, but it can.
Seeing Boscha on a more organic level with Amity is a simple start to know how to complete a seemingly 2 dimensional concept arc in a proper way.
Boscha/Amity: understanding Willow (Episode 15)
There is a difference between the relationship of Amity/Willow and Boscha/Willow, one of the main divisions stemming from the fact that Amity was actually Willow’s friend first and abruptly ended that friendship. As a kid who also had to go through the classic “friends ditch you for seemingly no reason” I do not take this piece of conflict lightly. Amity was the starting point of Willow’s issues and it shouldn’t just be forgotten after she becomes friends with her. Amity was important to Willow, and then, with parental influence, had to emotionally abuse her in possibly one of the biggest moments of her life. (shown by how big the tree in Willow’s memory was) This memory was painstaking to her and she carried it for years, it was a relief to be resolved in the end and Willow turned out to be alright.
So what’s the deal with Boscha?
On Boscha’s side, she virtually has no connection or even personal information on Willow, while Amity actually knew her. This means Amity’s insults were more hard hitting, whether she intended it to be that way or not.
(Compare “I’m going on a date with my ferns” to “it’s not her fault that she was born without talent.”) (Yes, this is one of Amity’s “hey, stop” lines but was also pretty bad at the same time)
It was less of the actual pettiness and more of the act of abandonment that bothered her.
Now, to Willow, I doubt Boscha’s existence even really mattered enough to create a bad memory with it. The group picked on Willow occasionally because it branched from Amity’s distaste, Boscha’s ego, and the entire crew’s bad mentality (because we see Skara also encourage gossiping at Willow as well)
Amity and Boscha have conflict with Willow, but out of the two, Amity (being a main character) was the trojan with bad blood. It was only until Amity started meeting Luz that this attitude started to shift, and the reign of being unnecessarily rude to Willow ended after ep 17.
Keeping these experiences in mind, Willow could still currently develop a deeper bond with Boscha without being unrealistic or repulsive. To start first though, both situations need to be addressed. (Amity/Willow already being addressed in Understanding Willow, Boscha/Willow hasn’t been yet)
The comparison in the two relationship starting points are very far apart; the comparison being that Amity/Willow’s friendship had already flourished and was damaged, while Willow/Boscha weren’t even proper acquaintances to begin with. It’s absolutely okay to prefer to not develop/develop a bond between them because there is nothing there in the first place. Boscha and Willow are not tsundere pals nor bitter enemies, the current status is simple; (even if I love her) Boscha is a bitch.
Wing it Like Witches: rambling about Boscha (Episode 17)
not relevant at all, but i think i subconsciously just made this whole section so i could say i love the canon grudgby cards of eda/willow/luz/boscha at the end. anyways, unnecessary rambling section:
The thing that sends Boscha to the extreme is when Amity stands up for Willow, and Willow unintentionally steals Boscha’s social power. This ignites episode 17’s conflict, where the shift in ‘the hierarchy’ gives Boscha motivation to start going further in her actions. Which, was solely her issue because we don’t see anyone else joining in on it.
Boscha does petty things during this episode, especially when choreographing the garbage can situation. Keeping the morality in mind, it’s meant to be put into context for the anarchy of the Boiling Isles and not a typical high school. There’s some things that happen in the show that just aren’t simply supposed to carry weight; the marker scene being one of them.
Overall, what we can draw from this episode is that Boscha is still a jerk and she picked on the group, causing Luz to make an irrational decision. Boscha doesn’t go out of her way to throw balls at Luz, Luz completed the deal and Boscha stuck with it. That’s all there is to it, really. Boscha’s character isn’t a large part of this episode but we get to see some small glimpses into it. Despite being the viscous antagonizing force, we get some “Boscha is losing her power” resolution, which is always nice. Here’s a couple of moments that stuck out to me from an analyst perspective:
//”You are a star, you may be hated, so long as you are feared- most important of all you are a winner”// ((”Hated” does not refer to grudgby games, as she separates connotations between the two statements))
//”Wow you’re a really great friend.. and a perfect target”// ((There is a small pause between both sentences when she closes her eyes and breathes in to recompose herself)
The thing separating Amity and Boscha for their pettiness is how quickly Amity is redeemed in the series. Boscha has only had about 2 episodes to show anything, and I’d say it’s good to wait a bit before bashing people for genuinely liking her or her potential. I love the canon grudgby cards by the way.
Side note: Episode 8 reinforced the fact that Boscha needed to be cruel to have power. With King overtaking her position simply by being an even douchier person, you can clearly see why this toxic ideology is clearly existent and real for her.
Boschlow; in canon
Finally, the building carpenters place down the wooden board on two separate branching buildings. I doubt this will happen in canon, but it’s important to realize having a board is also kinda cool for fanon Boschlow media based on canon.
Referring to the beginning; There’s an arc based on losing power, and an arc based on gaining power. There’s an arc based on being unhealthily over-confident, and an arc on learning to be confident. Where will both characters end up at the end of their development arc? (Assuming Boscha even gets one)
For Boscha it starts out at the high and mighty and sinks back down to the bottom of the hill, realizing she needs to improve, following an external motivation, and working it out from there.
For Willow she starts at the bottom and rises to the top, learns to assert herself, and ends up making more major decisions on her own with this new revelation.
So what is Boscha’s external motivation, and what is Willow’s self assured decision?
Well, one way to interpret it is that they can both be the other’s completing arc. Willow can be Boscha’s motivation and Boscha can be Willow’s decision. Willow can consciously decide to help her on her own(after maybe a persuading event such as Boscha losing her friends, or a calamity event such as a group project), and Boscha can react from Willow’s motivation and improve from her urge to be hated and feared. Of course, Boscha could still want to be powerful, but she’ll only start to see an inner change once she decides she can’t just do everything for herself. With Boscha’s downplaying gone, Willow’s self respect will go up even more, and honestly I only see a win with this.
You can improve two characters with one stone, and it’d only take about an episode. This isn’t exactly referring to a romance, this is the mutual respect between the two in general, but it can evolve in more ways than one.
In the end, I’m currently rooting for Boscha’s development, but if that never happens, I’m alright knowing it’s not something I need to be ashamed about. I also highly request more Willow screentime so the two ideas just melded together into an intertwine hhfjfhgjfgh…
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