redraw ing a scene from the upd8 oh god its been 84 years
I’m writing a fic that’s slowly straying further from “silly dirkjohn” to “John egberts trauma and why he refuses to admit he likes boys”
But I just can’t decide whether this boy is gay or bi. Honestly, if you’re looking at the comic you could go either way. He dates Vriska for a short period and generally makes comments about how according to Karkat he and Rose are supposed to be married, but I can’t help but read those as not genuine.
Vriska is a giant lesbian and there’s no way their relationship was at all fulfilling. John and the way he talks and interacts with girls just reads to me as someone not just closeted, but not coming to full realization of their orientation. But I can’t decide if John is bi, and he’s just heavily relying on the attraction he has to girls to ignore everything else, or if he’s gay and that attraction is something forced, some form of compulsory heterosexuality.
At 16 I vividly remember flirting with a boy I could tell was minorly into me because it felt wonderful and validating to have a boy paying attention to me, but then he tried to ask me out and I immediately felt sick.
And it goes further- at 19-20, why would John still be in denial about this? By then he’s got two very close friends in loving gay relationships, he’d witness firsthand Dave’s coming out.
You know, I think it ties into his dad. Homestuck has a lot to say about the toxic power of masculinity (just take a look at caliborn) but Dad is very much shown as a masculine figure too, though it’s just a neater and more specific aesthetic of masculinity. John loves his dad, that’s not under question, and his death affects him greatly. I almost wonder what a John would be like where his dad didn’t die when he was 13?
Maybe it’s not for a few years that John starts questioning things, but he’s sticking himself so rigidly to that standard of masculinity his father held up, and to him that includes being straight. John probably doesn’t have a lot of mentors and older people around him that are gay so to him being gay is being flamboyant and knowing from the second you’re born that you’re gay, and that’s unrelatable to him. His father was a good man, and John wants to be like his father, and liking men doesn’t fit anywhere in that.
This post got away from me but yeah closeted John speaks to me very much. I think I might go with gay? I’m still not sure I think either reading could hold weight.
I was talking about this a few days ago, but to me, it seems like John is just not attracted to girls. He goes on and on about how he’s supposed to marry Rose, but I think that’s just because he’s supposed to, and John does what he’s supposed to do. As soon as Jade mentions the possibility of him being “in love” with Rose, he gets weirded out. His interest in “marrying Rose” isn’t out of any romantic attraction for her, but because he was ordered to. (He’s also entirely convinced that Dave and Jade are going to get together, again, because Karkat said so.)
Regarding Vriska, he got along with her, but when Dave asked him if he would want to date her, he got confused and didn’t know what to think. There was a version of John who dated Vriska in the dream bubbles, but when our John finds out about it, he’s really unsettled because he “doesn’t get to remember doing that.” I think that in this relationship, both Vriska and John were involved out of a sense of obligation. Before Vriska died, she told John that she liked him, and she felt like she had to follow through on that, and she may have been clinging onto her relationship with John as her last chance to be like Mindfang. In John’s case…Vriska is bossy, and John gets bossed around. If Vriska asked him out, it’s easy to imagine John accepting just because he feels like he should like her back. The John that dated Vriska, remember, was from the beginning of the story–he’s the one who tried to kill Typheus early (in the rocket pack ordeal, as I like to call it). This John is a lot more immature than the John who learns of this relationship after the fact, and he doesn’t know Vriska well at all. It seems to me that John never liked Vriska romantically, and any interest he may have shown was out of obligation: “I get along with this girl platonically, therefore I must like her romantically.” (This kind of thing is common in media and stuff, that girls and guys can’t be “just friends,” and with John’s
obsessioninterest in movies, it’s easy to imagine him buying into that.)
Then there’s the stuff with Roxy, which honestly……..was not even romantic. There was Roxy thinking John was cute at first, but that has nothing to do with John being interested in Roxy. I mean……..when Dave asked John if he liked her, he said maybe. That’s it. And that could easily be the thing with the movies again–John thinking that liking a girl platonically means he should (and does) like her romantically. (Same goes for Terezi, imo.)
I think a lot of evidence people use for saying John likes girls comes from stuff he said that indicated confusion about his feelings, and he’s generally weirded out by the idea of being romantically involved with girls.
This is a good addition! It really does seem like John’s attraction to girls within HS canon is mostly obligatory.
Possible 6/12 events in ascending order of likelihood:
- The game
- An announcement of a release date
- An announcement of the date on which the release date will be announced
- A vague teaser that reveals far less than it purports to
- A series of flippant remarks attempting to reframe the foolishness of expecting substantive communication as an ironic joke which we’re all in on rather than a mere statement of fact
- Absolutely nothing
- 20% off shirts with pictures of hats on them