thor (2011) is an interesting movie to me because i think, despite a few flaws, the reason it never really took off the way iron man or cap:tfa did was because the audience it reached didn’t match the intended audience. the intended audience was so confused by what they saw because it didn’t reflect their ideal in terms of what they thought a thor movie would be, while the audience it ended up attracting claimed the empty spaces and turned their “sub-fandom” into something that practically rejected the fandoms of mcu!iron man and cap at that time
what i’m trying to say here, in essence, is this:
thor (2011) is a chick flick
to prove my point, i went to the world’s most trustworthy database on film analysis, urban dictionary, and found a few definitions obviously written by men
A film that indulges in the hopes and dreams of women and/or girls. A film that has a happy, fuzzy, ridiculously unrealistic ending.
word which refers to movies characteristically geered at young females in their twenties and late teens. Must include: love scenes, kissing, something sad, a happy ending
A sappy film that is generally geared towards women. It is always a love story, usually a comedy, and nausea inducing in men.
Term for a movie geared for women. Quite often seen on cable TV like The Hallmark Channel and endorsed by people like Oprah. These movies make women the heros and show life from a woman’s perspective. Most men hate these films cuz they are cheezy and dumb. Pussy-whipped men like them…or pretend to.
A movie that embodies all that is wrong with the world; a movie which displays a gross over-indulgence into, and exploration of, the workings of the female psyche and the accomanying emotional tendencies.
Pornography for women.
every complaint i have EVER seen about thor (2011) was about anything contained to earth: jane, darcy, not so much selvig, thor being hammer-less and learning to calm down and be gentle, women only liking it because hemsworth is a 6′3 outback steakhouse victoria’s filet mignon with twinkly dream eyes
but i think that’s because that’s the sentimental part of the movie, the emotional part. it’s driven by a romance and the intellect of a woman (arguably two). thor has to learn to get in touch with his softer side in a world that’s a bit more fragile than his own, furthermore there’s no other steaks– i, em, i mean men like him to balance out. there’s no male audience vessel in this movie
oh, you’re thinking selvig? i’m thinking not! there’s no male audience vessel.
men can’t relate to this movie
oh, you think they can relate to THOR? in the words of drax, “this is not a dude, you’re a dude. this… is a man”. thor is the ideal boyfriend figure, he belongs to everyone who wants a boyfriend, all the thor stans i know are women and/or like men, if you’re a thor stan and a straight guy i automatically have my suspicions and my eyes are guarded by red flags
#THOR 1 IS A SHAKEPEAREAN CHICK FLICK #THOR IS FOR WOMEN AND THE GAYS AND THAT’S JUST FACTS #the reason why thor’s been called unrelatable for so long was #cos cishet dudes could not fucking relate to him #COS HE A KING MADE OUT OF SUNSHINE WHO LEARNS AND APOLOGISES #FOR HIS MISTAKES #SOMETHING THEY’RE INCAPABLE OF (via @spacefloozy)
that’s a very interesting take.
and it would explain why Ragnarök is all of a sudden such a smash. Thor is now a dudebro.
straight men find it more easy now to admit having boners for Hemsworth and Thor, after Infinity War, in which he was the almighty God of Thunder with electrical apparatus and displaying his physical powers like never before, with vengeance on his mind.
Kind of like Rambo.
and yes, at least in my experience, the Thor fandom is overwhelmingly female and/or queer, while Cap and Iron Man, though they have a strong queer and female base as well, ALSO have the huge favor or straight males, which is what Marvel was always after, what they understand and want to work with.
Thor had a mission to become a better, humbler, kinder man; not to acquire power and become stronger to fight and defeat his enemies, like Cap and Iron Man. He already had the power. He had to put down that power instead, stop relying on his brawn and muscle to get him through life, and learn to use instead diplomacy, and empathy, and learn respect for the weaker, and that violence is not the solution to everything.
having said that, as a straight female, to me and to many others much of the appeal of the Thor franchise (before Ragnarok, of course,) was never the forced heteronormative romance OR earth; I have never cared about that much
(possibly because WHO can relate to a Quantum astrophysicist genius who also looks like Natalie Portman and charms the GOD before she even opens her mouth, when he’s still fucking dizzy and seeing double and SHOULD be in deep emotional turmoil after what he’s been through. Wow. At least Sif, for all her beauty, sass, and might, experiences the frustration of not getting the man he wants, and experiences jealousy. I CAN relate to that.)
No. What drew me and many others to the Thor franchise was Loki, god of misfits, queers, and mentally ill people everywhere, and his relationship with Thor.
Which started quite soft and open and included lots of touching and moon eyes, and came through as deep and long and complicated and massively IMPORTANT, as in, meaningful, and true, and full of humanity, and relatable, and so fascinating on so many levels, and soon evolved into brokenheartedness and desperate pleas and so, so much sentiment.
True, compelling emotions, well told. I fricking love that. Compared to that, the thing with Jane was margarine. In all the films he’s appeared, Thor never shone brighter than when confronting his brother. That’s where all the layers and heart of it came to the fore, the bits that got me hooked.
And a huge part of Thor’s mission, of his journey to some sort of victory, was to get Loki back. At which he has been failing since the first movie started, pretty much, and only succeeded in TDW.
He can smash with his hammer left right and center but he kept losing at this.
So Thor used to be full of sentiment, his victory against the big baddie was never about his muscles (remember when he faced the Destroyer with nothing but his puppy eyes and his sincere blanket apologies, ready to lay down his life for others), and his most crucial fights have been reluctant, against someone he didn’t really want to fight, and whom the audience wanted basically not to be smashed with a hammer, but get a hug. No great moment of triumph or absolute victory on the battlefield for Thor, until Thanos.
I guess it’s really hard for your ordinary superhero movie fanboy dudebro to relate with a “6′3 outback steakhouse victoria’s filet mignon with twinkly dream eyes” (awesome), who is also a sentimental loser, and whose journey is about learning to embrace his softer, more “feminine” qualities.
Thor is cool NOW, because he is a dudebro who makes dumb jokes and blabbers embarrassingly patronizing shit about women warriors, and goes around with “just tell me who I have to kill”, and finally achieves victory in his mission: he shows Loki who’s boss and puts him in his place once and for all, through violence, humiliation, and with a cruel smile on his face. No more softie softie for you, no more sentiment.
He even talks like those fanboy dudebros, rather than the eloquent, articulated, Shakespearean high speech he used before that probably fucking intimidated them and repelled them.
His mission in Ragnarok is simple to the point of stupidity: learn that “the power was inside you all the time” and defeat the baddie.
And nothing is deep and nothing matters much at all, no emotion, no truth, and no meaning. Nothing but cheap laughs and a good fight and lots of lightning and thunder and Immigrant Song (used masterfully, I will totally and sincerely give TW credit for that.)
*rubs chin* interesting take indeed.