i swear to god i do not understand why the younger trans ppl are so fucking hostile to the terms “transexual” or “mtf/ftm”. I really don’t. Are they maybe a bit out of date? I mean yeah, but… there are still ppl alive who came into themselves with those terms. Who still feel most comfortable with those terms. And yet I see younger trans ppl act as tho anyone using those terms are somehow using UNFORGIVABLE TERMINOLOGY like fuck off bitch, when I was first starting to think about my gender, the elders I looked to used “transsexual” and I still feel like that’s a fair summation of my identity.
It just irritates me, ‘cause like. Declaring those terms anathema alienates older queer folks and isolates y’all from your history. You don’t have to use it for yourself, but when ppl use it for themselves you fuckin IMPLODE and I just…. WHY??? Fuck right off.
I’m a nonbinary former ftm transsexual in many ways, and y’all can’t take that shit from me. :|
Thank you! Some people are genuinely uncomfortable with the term transgender! It makes me wanna rip myself apart being called it.
A lot of people use to word to mean something different than transgender too, because its possible to transition and not have anything to do with gender itself. Or having gender dysphoria.
Its always “identity/id as whatever you want!” Until someone wants to use a term seemed “problomatic ” or “wrong” to the community.
Yes! Exactly! Yes!!!
I’m definitely down with transgender as a term for myself, but like. I also identify hard with transsexual. So fuckin… fuck everyone who says anything else.
I personally am uncomfortable with the term ‘transsexual’ and was very glad when the community started to shift towards using ‘transgender’, even if I hadn’t joined the community yet at that stage.
That being said.
‘Transsexual’ used to mean something very specific – a trans person who wanted to medically transition. (If you read older trans books like Becoming a Visible Man by Jamison Green, you’ll see it defined that way. And Green’s book was only published in 2004.) ‘Transgender’ was the umbrella term that incorporated transsexuals, transvestites, some butches, other gnc folks who identified as such – a huge variety of people. There’s a certain kind of discourser who will say that ‘transgender’ only means the identity that used to be called ‘transsexual’, and that’s just not true, and hasn’t been true historically, either.
For all that I’m personally glad of the move away from ‘transsexual’ and ‘mtf’ and ‘ftm’, because I feel that the terms capitulate to the cis obsession with our bodies and whether we’ve had ‘the surgery’ yet, as well as what gender/sex we ‘really’ are, there have been things that we’ve lost too.
I also get so fucking angry at people yelling at trans elders for using the ‘wrong’ terms. If you can understand that pronouns do not equal gender, you can understand that other people might have attachments to identities that you dislike, or which don’t make sense to you. So you never felt like you were a girl/boy, but always felt like a boy/girl/other since you were a child, and so have no connection to the terms ftm or mtf? That’s nice, but there will be people your age or younger for whom that was their experience. It’s not up to you to try to define them out of existence.
One of the beauties of the trans experience is a pluralist experience of gender. We don’t all have to fit into two tiny categories. Even if we look at another person with the same gender as us, they might experience their gender completely differently to how we do, and that’s great.
We need to start taking that pluralist approach to the terms that the community uses to define itself, and not tearing ourselves apart from within. The outside world is already doing its best to achieve that. You don’t need to help.
Gods all bless you, Dor, you’ve put words to most of th issues I was having trying to verbalize the shift. Bless you bless you bless you.