It is I, your friendly neighbourhood researcher, sick of hearing that terfs “never actually harm anyone”. Here are some examples! Since terfs find it perfectly reasonably to say all trans women are harmful based on a handful of examples, I guess we can now safely say that all terfs are violent terrible people.
Sandy Stone - trans woman employed by Olivia Records, a radical women’s recording company. The company received threats against Ms Stone, and on one occasion TERF supporters stormed a show with Ms Stone while wielding guns. They were disarmed by security. (x) (x)
Robin Tyler - a cis woman who was physically beaten by terfs while defending a trans performer (Beth Elliot) from physical assault (the assault was organised by Robin Morgan, a terf). (x)
Sylvia Rivera - a very well known trans woman and activist, was beaten by a group of people organised by Jane O’Leary, radfem + found of Radicalesbians. (x)
Sigh, I can go through all them one by one, but before I do so, I’d like to point out these are very biased sources (literally the first one is TransAdvocate, what a surprise).
Sandy Stone: The record company claimed to hire women exclusively and then hired a MTF. The company received a (very respectful) letter of complaint and nothing more. That’s not a threat. The sources also say nothing about radfems storming into a show with guns.
Robin Tyler: This is not what happened. A lesbian group named the Gutter Dykes gave out leaflets that said Elliott shouldn’t be allowed to perform, but Elliott ended up performing regardless after the audience voted in Elliott’s favour. Robin Morgan mentioned Elliott once in a speech that she did not give at that particular event… Morgan wasn’t even at that event, so how could she have organised an assault against Elliott there and then?
Sylvia Rivera: I did some research and Rivera wasn’t beaten by radical feminists. Jean O’Leary founded Lesbian Feminist Liberation (LFL) by the way, not Radical Lesbians.
LFL were protesting because they disagreed with the organisation’s decision to include drag queens at the event (drag queens: not transgenders). They were handing out flyers to the crowd and Sylvia then took the stage and gave a speech.
This is what O’Leary said about the event: (Source: makinggayhistory.com)
‘’Lesbian Feminist Liberation negotiated for a week-and-a-half using the means that rational women and women have always used in the past, not disruptive means, to try to get up here and read a statement. We were told no, that there would be no political statements read today. Because one person, a man, Sylvia [Rivera], gets up here and causes a ruckus, we are not allowed to read our statement. And I think that says something right there. Now I’d like to go on and speak, but I have written here a statement that’s backed up by a hundred women and this was voted on so I’m just going to read this statement.’‘
This was part of the statement from O’Leary:
‘’When men impersonate women for reasons of entertainment or profit, they insult women. We support the rights of every person to dress in the way that she or he wishes. But we are opposed to the exploitation of women by men for entertainment or profit. Men have been telling us who we are all our lives. They have tried to do it with scholarship, with religion, with psychiatry. When all else fails they have used humor to tell us and each other who and what we are. What we object to today is another instance in which men laughing with one another at what they present as women by telling us who they think we are. We don’t want to know. Men have never been able to show us ourselves. We are coming into a time and a place as women in which we can and will show one another who we are. Let men tell each other what they think of women. Let us tell you who we are.’‘
Not only that, but O’Leary claims to later feel embarrassed about what happened, also stating the following:
‘‘Um, [I feel embarrassed] because I have since then, I mean, I’ve gone… During the Anita Bryant campaign, for instance, down in Dade County, Florida, I used to go down there and help them with the campaign. And I’d stay at the Windward hotel, which was just full of transvestites, transsexuals, wonderful, darling, lovable people that I got to know as people and got to know their lives and their stories. And who they are. Why they were. And, you know, just as you grow older, first of all, you learn more and you mellow in terms of your precision about what has to be exactly right and politically correct.’‘
O’Leary also later said:
“How could I work to exclude transvestites and at the same time criticize the feminists who were doing their best back in those days to exclude lesbians?”
So… O’Leary wanted to include transgenders in the LGBT movement after all? So she wasn’t a ‘’TERF’’? Remove her from the list, then.
Janice Raymond: ‘’Medical care’’ aka transitioning, which is entirely cosmetic, but okay I will run with it. Here is what Raymond wrote in the book you’re referring to:
‘’While there are many who feel that morality must be built into law, I believe that the elimination of transsexualism is not best achieved by legislation prohibiting transsexual treatment and surgery but rather by legislation that limits it and by other legislation that lessens the support given to sex-role stereotyping, which generated the problem to begin with…’’
Raymond states transgenders (transsexuals) wish to change sexes in order to be able to change gender roles (=sex-role stereotypes). She explicitly says transitioning shouldn’t be illegal, she just says it should be limited through not supporting sex-role stereotypes, as this is what causes transsexualism (in her opinion). I doubt Raymond is ‘’single-handedly responsible for decades of denied medical care to trans people’’ [sic].
Cathy Brennan: The source is someone’s opinion of Brennan being a guest at a talk show. The talk show seemed to be about trans women in women’s and lesbian spaces. There is no mention of Brennan outing transgender students to their schools or parents.
About the sexual assault: the post is written by a trans woman named Suzan (with no mention of Suzan’s sexuality, by the way) who claims Brennan ‘’forcibly suggested’’ Suzan should sit on her lap. The post doesn’t specifiy if Suzan actually did end up on her lap or not, by the way. it links to the full post, but that link is broken, so we don’t know what happened. This was also just one person, not multiple lesbians, as you claim. This event also allegedly happened at a Dyke March, not a Gay Pride event.
I conclude: none of the examples you’ve provided are proven to be harm against transgenders, or anyone really.
Now watch how the OP will ignore this post completely and continue to lie about radical feminists
Nah, I just want to reply to this once I’ve recovered from being sick and can look into those claims+ the evidence further. It’s not impossible that I made a mistake or several - this was one of my earliest original posts on the blog and I have been planning to re do it for a while because I think I could come up with more useful research on this front. But re: the transadvocate sources: I only use transadvocate when I can confirm their points with other independent sources. Yeah they’re biased, but I do check that they’re not factually wrong before I use them.
As for the debunks I’d rather look into them than reply off hand with denial that I could possibly wrong. Terrible of me, I know.
Now that I’ve had a little time… thanks for your patience, all the radfems commenting on this every day about how I’m clearly going to ignore this and keep spreading lies! /s
“The record company claimed to hire women exclusively and then hired a [trans woman].”
Yes, they did, and they did hire women exclusively, since Sandy is a woman. :)
“The company received a (very respectful) letter of complaint and nothing more. That’s not a threat.”
Nice try, but no they did not. They did not send ‘a very respectful’ letter of complaint. They sent a campaign of identical letters, up to 50 a day, complaining that the music was bad and suggesting they fire Sandy.
“In addition to our usual volume of mail, we began to get 20 pieces a day, could be as high as 50, and they all had about the same thing in them [… ]then the last paragraph would be something like, “I hear that there’s a transsexual person working with you in engineering, and maybe you should think about getting a real woman to do your engineering, your records might sound better!” It was as if people were out there passing around a form letter.”
Those two sources didn’t mention guns specifically, you’re right. Sorry, I tend to use a lot more sources that I link and sometimes I don’t get the right links straight - this post is old and I definitely hadn’t got a system in place for my links back then. But here’s a direct quote re: the guns:
“We had our first women’s concert—I’m laughing because it’s so completely absurd and was utterly scary at the time—we did the first women’s music concert with security. We had honest-to-god heavy-duty people. The group tht issued the threat was this radical, transphobic separatist group up there. They shaved their heads, wore camo gear, and had live weapons. We had people at the door checking for weapons. A couple of them did come. I don’t know if they brought any weapons—if they did, they were taken away.” [x - Vice interview with Sandy Stone, for both these quotes]
So yeah you’re half-right, there’s no evidence that they brought live weapons, only that they repeatedly threatened to after sending a consistent campaign of hate mail to Olivia Records, to the point that they felt they needed to hire security. That’s clearly totally acceptable /s.
You used a wikipedia link to try and disprove my link?? Poor form. Just because it’s not on wikipedia doesn’t mean it never happened.
Here’s a direct quote from Robin Tyler (yes, it’s in an interview with the trans advocate, but it’s still her direct words, along with the other radfems backing her up in this interview)
“Yes, Harrison & Tyler were performers and we defended Beth Eliot. Robin Morgan come up with this horrible speech and when Beth went on stage to play her guitar and sing, [Sex essentialist women] started threatening her. Patty [Harrison] and I jumped on stage and we got, because they came onto stage to physically beat her. “
“Rivera Wasn’t Beaten By Radical Feminists”:
“The year 1973 witnessed clash that would take Rivera out of the movement for the next two decades… As they passed out flyers outlining their opposition to the ‘female impersonators,’ Rivera wrestled for the microphone held by emcee Vitto Russo, before getting hit with it herself. Rivera explained, ‘I had to battle my way up on stage, and literally get beaten up and punched around by people I thought were my comrades, to get to that microphone.” – Benjamin Shepard, That’s Revolting!, pp 126 – 127
“[T]his incident precipitated yet another suicide attempt on her part… the events of that day in 1973 ultimately took something out of Sylvia Rivera. In the succeeding years, Sylvia Rivera’s participation in ‘the movement’ waned. Although she attended every Christopher Street Liberation Day Parade (with the exception of two) until her death, Sylvia’s formal participation in organizations like the GLF and the GAA came to a halt.” – Susan Glisson (Ed), The Human Tradition in the Civil Rights Movement, p 325
O’Leary’s attack on Rivera was about ‘female impersonators’. She may have changed her TERF views later, but this was a transphobic attack instigated by a radfem.
Transition is the medical treatment for dysphoria, if nothing else. All major medical establishments (sans religious ones, gee wonder where we’ve seen that before *cough abortion cough*) endorse it as the appropriate treatment for adult dysphoria. Suck it up and deal with it, or go away, because I’m not debating nonsense like that. Regardless:
Raymond created the anti-transgender NCHCT report in 1980 and in 1981, after NCHCT was absorbed into the OHTA, Raymond’s report was cited when it was claimed that transgender healthcare was “too controversial”. Hers was the ONLY report commissioned by the OHTA on ethical and social aspects of transsexual healthcare and she was adamantly against it. The other two reports used in that decision were on costs and the science behind treatment.
If she wasn’t single-handedly responsible, she still was far from blameless.
I seem to have linked the wrong source. And honestly you’re right, I can’t find another source that says Brennan sexually assaulted more than one person, so I’ll stop posting that one.
But here’s a post on Gender Identity Watch where she outed Jessica Valentine. In all other news reports Jessica was listed as ‘a male student’, such as here. So uh, that outing thing still stands. She puts people in danger.