Just to remind people, that while I wholeheartedly agree that Runeard never would have accepted Elsa because she’s magical, let’s also not forget that he never would have accepted Iduna as his daughter-in-law because she was Northuldra.
Just to remind people, that while I wholeheartedly agree that Runeard never would have accepted Elsa because she’s magical, let’s also not forget that he never would have accepted Iduna as his daughter-in-law because she was Northuldra.
"We don't talk about that musician"
- Pixar Coco 2017
"We don't talk about Bruno"
- Disney Encanto 2021
"We don't talk about Runeard"
- Probably Frozen 3, if they'll make one, date release unknown.
When Elsa encounters Runeard’s snow memory in Ahtohallan, he is first seen tightening his glove. Given that gloves were used to restrain Elsa’s magic, this could symbolize Runeard’s opposition to magic.
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«I had seen it. My father, battling the Northuldra at the side of the dam. His foot slipping. His arms flailing».
The chief was already dead by that moment.
Sinister of Magic
So almost two years since the release of Frozen II, I think this scene, the scene that reveals Runeard’s true colors regarding his feelings towards the Northuldra and magic, has become famous. It’s less than 20 seconds long and he says only approximately 30 words in it, but judging from the things he says, how he says them, and the faces he makes while speaking his words are enough to reveal just how much of a wrathful, egotistical, arrogant, hypocritical, bigoted, hostile, xenophobic, paranoid, supreme, power-hungry man Runeard was.
But even so, almost two years later, fans are undoubtedly curious as to why Runeard hates and fears magic so much. Sure, he explains his belief that magic corrupts people into thinking they are so powerful and entitled that they are better than a king (which is hypocritical since he is clearly displaying his own love of power, sense of entitlement, and supreme belief that he is better than everyone else by being a monarch), but there is no deeper explanation on just why he thinks this. I have explained in several analyses why I believe he has these feelings, and now I want to explain all of my beliefs and thoughts about it in one piece, so here I go. 😁😉👍🏻
As mentioned in Seek the Truth: Unraveling Frozen II, a big project about the movie that was written by @yumeka36, it is not uncommon to fear people and things that are different, with “different” in this case meaning unusual, strange, or foreign (which is what the term xenophobia means). Such fear can eventually blossom into hatred, and this is especially so for a person like Runeard, someone who is in a high position in society with a lot of power. Furthermore, by being in such a high social, political rank, people like Runeard will sometimes get the idea that they are better and smarter than others, they discriminate everyone who is below them in status as being beneath them in all other ways, and they want to have total control over everything. From the one scene in which his true nature is revealed, it’s not difficult to comprehend that Runeard enjoyed the power, authority, and control that came with his kingship, so much so that he abused it, albeit in secret. It convinced him that he was the best person of all, that he was always right and could never do any wrong, so he was extremely intolerant of disobedience, defiance, challenges to his authority and his judgment being questioned. This is all proven by the furious face he makes after his aide tries to reason with him that the Northuldra are not untrustworthy in nature following Runeard ordering him to round up all of Arendelle’s soldiers to bring to the forest. Runeard also hated the idea of anything or anyone being better than him, and particularly anyone who thought they were better than him. As a result, he could not tolerate competitive rivals, challenges, or threats of any kind to his power, and he was obsessively determined not to lose it to anything.
I have always thought that the main reason why Runeard loathed magic is because it is not a normal force in the world; in other words, it is an abnormal, unpredictable, unnatural, otherworldly entity (the latter terms were also said by @yumeka36), making it difficult for him to control or understand it. As a king, Runeard had a deep-rooted need and desire to control everything and everyone in his path, to always be on top of things and other people, to always be obeyed, and he felt satisfied when he had complete control of things that were normal and natural. But much like how he resented his judgment being questioned and authority being challenged, he also resented anything he couldn’t control or understand, and magic is one thing that was far beyond his comprehension and control. So without question, Runeard’s complete inability to control magic is definitely one of the key reasons why he detested it.
And as revealed in Dangerous Secrets, the disappearance of Runeard’s wife Rita was a contributing factor in his abhorrence of magic. After many years of feeling depressed and homesick, combined with Runeard’s inability to be loving, understanding, and sympathetic of her situation, Rita fled after Pabbie erased her memories of her family and life in Arendelle. Like I said in “There Goes the Bride”, I believe Runeard wanted to have total control and authority over Rita since he saw her as his inferior by being his wife, but also as a queen and a woman. But once she left him, he no longer had any control over her, which infuriated him because he had ultimately failed to control her with all the power he could muster and was unable to do anything about it afterwards. As a result, Runeard refused to accept that he had been an awful husband and was the only person to blame for Rita’s departure. He officially said that she disappeared due to evil spirits, making it one of many instances in which he refused to take responsibility for his misdeeds and faults, and instead took the easy approach by blaming them on an uncontrollable force like magic. 😔
Moving on, because of the abnormality and unpredictability of magic, it would be the only form of power considered to match or be greater than that of any monarch, the only type of power that could stand in Runeard’s way as a ruler. So since the powers of magic could present themselves as a competition, threat, and challenge to his kingship, it is another reason why he abhorred it, and this ties into his bigotry and wrath towards the Northuldra. The Northuldra are peasants, people of the lowest rank in society, which puts them below him in society by default, and he already believed he was better than them and saw them as uncivilized people. But even more so, Runeard just couldn’t stand the fact that these peasants follow magic, the very thing he saw as being in the way of his kinghood. He also couldn’t stand the thought that the Northuldra might think their magical ties made them think they are far more powerful and greater than him. So Runeard saw them as being an obstacle to his kingship in two separate ways that combined together, and because of this, he felt the need to obliterate them. As I said in “King Runeard, the Lying Hater”, Runeard’s xenophobia and paranoia of magic was so extreme that he probably believed that the Northuldra might try to usurp him and take control of Arendelle using the magical spirits. They wouldn’t have, of course, but Runeard wasn’t going to take the chance of any such thing happening, or anything else that could lead to him losing his power, and he had to come up with a plan to get rid of them.
But then why did he want to use the dam to do so?
Because Runeard had built up a facade of a benevolent, generous leader to his kingdom and the Northuldra, and he had to keep his real malevolent nature under wraps. If he tried to take down the Northuldra using direct, unprovoked force, his entire cover would be blown instantly and he would lose everything he had gained from his artificial image. But it’s also because Runeard feared what the spirits could do to him if he acted by force. So he decided to take a more subtle approach by building the dam in the Enchanted Forest and using it to weaken the lands and, by extension, the magic. As we see in the film, the dam caused a massive blockage of water, which completely disrupted the flow of the once free-flowing river, so it can be assumed that this was one way the dam was harmful to the environment. Like other real-life effects of a dam, it also may have disturbed the sediment composition of the water, which practically eroded the river, and harmed or killed the plant life that grew on the fjord beneath the dam. Runeard knew all of this since, as a king, he was a very educated man and had more privileges regarding such knowledge than other people. It could even be assumed that his soldiers and the Arendellian citizens did not have the same amount of knowledge he did (at least not regarding what harmful effects dams do in a natural setting), which might explain why no one ever questioned him (on screen, at least) if the dam would actually help the forest. However, out of arrogance in thinking he was better and a lot smarter than the Northuldra, Runeard assumed that they wouldn’t have this knowledge, either, or that it would take them a very long time to figure it out. So he thought he could get away with his true intentions by presenting the dam as a gift of peace, which would also easily fool his people into thinking he was doing an utmost good deed and keep them on his side if the Northuldra suspected otherwise.
I previously explained in “Panic Attack” what I think Runeard’s long-term plan was to eliminate the Northuldra, so I don’t want to explain all the details. I will say, though, that, since his actions were subtle, I am wholly convinced that he never intended to wipe out the tribe and start a war with them on the very day of the gathering in the forest. However, his plans instantly changed and began to crumble once the Northuldra leader told Runeard that the dam was harming the forest rather than helping it as promised. In a panic, and knowing his whole ruse could be exposed, he knew he had to act fast and get rid of the leader to keep anyone else from discovering the truth. But immediately after carrying out his murderous deed, Runeard panicked again since he knew that the tribe would eventually discover their leader’s absence and be searching for him. So not really knowing what else to do, given the circumstances, he started a full-fledged war between them and the Arendellians to turn any suspicion away from his crime...but his desperation to hide everything clouded his thoughts and caused him to make such a poor, impulsive move which ultimately drove him to his death.
Up until his death, Runeard’s xenophobia towards magic made him want to destroy anyone with magical powers or who had ties to magic that came his way. Little did he realize, though, that his own actions to try and eliminate the Northuldra would lead to the births of Anna and Elsa (who was born with magic, the very thing he abhorred most in the world), who would one day rectify his sins. The subsequent revelation of Runeard’s murderous, treacherous acts would forever ruin his legacy, causing his own worst fear to become reality, and rather than the Northuldra be obliterated like he had aimed to do, they would come together with the Arendellians to form a true union of peace, thanks to Elsa and Anna. 😉
This is how I imagined Queen Rita, the wife of King Runeard, the mother of King Agnarr, and the grandmother of Elsa and Anna, before she died
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She should have blonde hair, beacuse, Agnarr had blonde hair . And Runeard had red hair. Look at this!!!!
Thank you for bringing life to the characters ❄
#santinofontana #alantudyk #jeremysisto #ciaránhinds
Comparing the antagonist's reactions towards magic.
Fear is a natural instinct we have, something that tells us to run, hide, or attack when there is a danger - in order to preserve our lives and the lives of others we care about. However, sometimes when we are overcome with fear, and let it take control, we often make bad decisions.
The Frozen franchise is known for exploring the idea of fear, and how it can lead people down a dark path. It pushes the idea of how love can overcome fear, and if we choose to overcome our fears with love and understanding, we can accept those who are different from us - as well as be able to face life changes.
One of the main elements used to explore this aspect is magic - Elsa’s magic, as well as the magic of the four spirits. How the protagonists choose to face this unknowable force is what pegs them as heroes or villains. All of our protagonists have to face fear, and although they don’t always make the right decisions at first, they overcome it. That is ultimately what makes them heroes.
However, the franchise’s main antagonists, Hans, Runeard, and Weselton, choose very different paths. Because these men choose fear over love, for selfish reasons, they are marked as villains.
In this analysis, as a Birthday present for my dear friend @hafanforever, (who also came up with this great title!) I will be exploring how each villain reacts to magic, and how these reactions are similar and different.
I hope you love your present, Birthday girl!
Weselton was always meant to be a sort of red-herring and is 'annoyingly' villainous for this purpose. However, he is still a formidable antagonist - after all, he was the first to react negatively to Elsa's magic and was the one that sends his guards to kill Elsa.
Weselton is afraid of sorcery - and anything that is mysterious and unknowable to him. He over-reacts to Elsa's magic, yelling that she's a monster and hiding behind his henchmen whenever he gets the chance. He is also willing to do anything to make the magic go away; even if that means making his guards murder someone. From his perspective, that seemed like the only way to stop the winter and save everyone.
However, Weselton is of course more concerned with his own life than those around him - he becomes angry that Hans is giving away blankets and food to people because they are tradeable goods. He is more concerned about 'exploiting' riches and making things easier for himself.
Weselton reacts to magic with extreme fear and doesn't make any sort of effort to understand or accept that Elsa is anything other than a monster - even before she sets off the eternal winter.
"Sorcery...I knew there was something dubious going on here."
King Runeard also has an extreme fear of magic - much like Weselton. However, instead of just blatantly calling for an extermination of the Northuldra, he conducts himself in a more secretive and calculating manner.
It seems that Runeard did not want his people to think of him as a murderer or cold-hearted. Thus, in order to get rid of his self-proclaimed adversaries, he calculated a plan to cause their defeat in a subtle way, without outright fighting them. The only time he outright tries to cause war is when his plans are discovered - Ruenard underestimated the knowledge of the Northuldra, and was immediately threatened when one of their leaders questioned him.
This fear, also unlike Weselton, does not come from a place of self-preservation; instead, it comes from his perceived idea that magic is too powerful, and will make people feel that they are stronger than a king. We can conclude that Runeard felt that as a king, he needed to control everything and because magic is an unpredictable, powerful element he cannot control, he blames it for all of his misfortunes.
We don't know the exact details of where this mentality comes from, but we do know something that contributed to it - the disappearance of his wife, Rita. Because she chose to run away and have her memories erased by magic, he refused to see that it was his own emotional distance that caused her to flee, not magic.
Hans is like Runeard in that he tries to manipulate situations to his advantage - being a King that is viewed as honorable and kind seems to be important to both antagonists. However, unlike both Runeard and Weselton, Hans does not fear magic. Instead, he takes advantage of other's fears for his own personal gain.
We know he isn't afraid for a few reasons - one, when Elsa first shows her ice magic, while he jumps a bit, his shock disappears quite quickly and becomes more of a concern. Two, he readily jumps to fight Marshmallow and isn't afraid to try to talk to Elsa even though she's ready to kill two guards. Then, he comfortably walks into Elsa's cell to talk to her and gets very close, getting close to her again when he finds her in the storm. a lot of this shows how unafraid he is of Elsa's magic.
While everyone is scared of Elsa's winter, Hans immediately takes on this heroic persona, trying to appeal the everyone in Arendelle. As soon as Anna puts leaves him in charge, this becomes a perfect opportunity for him to become a hero. He confirms this as soon as Anna proves to be useless to him.
"I, on the other hand, am the hero that will save Arendelle from destruction."
Both Weselton and Runeard have an unreasonable and xenophobic-like fear of magic.
All three men are willing to murder people for their own gain - however, they do not like to get their hands dirty. Weselton depends on his henchmen to do the dirty work, while both Hans and Runeard try to avoid outright killing, only as a last resort. They prefer to try and cause someone's death indirectly, Runeard with the Dam and Hans putting out the candles and fireplace to quicken Anna's death.
Both runeard and Hans are capable of being manipulative - trying their best to be perceived as good and heroic. They have a high self-image, and believe that they are deserving of power.
Hans does not fear magic like Weselton and Runeard and instead tries to take advantage of it.
Weselton is not secretive or manipulative in any way like the main two antagonists.
Weselton fears magic for his own self-preservation, while Runeard looks at magic as a threat to his power.
Weselton seems to be the only one of the antagonists that obsess over money.
The Frozen AU I’m creating and shaping (in various fits and starts) has multiple digressions from the canon. The primary one is this:
Runeard never became king. Instead, one of my OC’s, Vali (Runeard’s twin brother) became king. And, unlike what I said in an earlier post, Runeard did not die as a child, but as an adult--and just as unpleasant and deceitful as the one we know.
Vali, on the other hand, is the slightly younger and milder brother. He’s the peacemaker the mediator and negotiator. He’s the one who has to constantly soothe ruffled feathers when Runeard’s arrogance and ego shows through.
Now imagine...just imagine...if this milder, more temperate brother was the one to ascend the throne. Imagine Arendelle being the country that we thought it was in the first movie, a peaceful one that wasn’t built on colonialism. Imagine an Arendelle that was more of an economic power instead of a military one. Imagine the prosperity of Arendelle as being based on negotiations instead of conquest.
Where would Matthias be? Would he have quietly retired? I think that he would have married his sweetheart Halima and they’d run Hudson’s Hearth together.
It’s certain that the Northuldra would not be seen as adversaries. I think that they’d have a storefront for herbal remedies and such somewhere in town. Members of the tribe might take turns minding the store, seeing to the logistics of trading, etc.
Would people still be afraid of magic? Perhaps, but I think that this is something that Runeard exacerbated. Fear of the unknown is something that’s inherent to human nature. Magic, with its own, sometimes mercurial rules, is definitely something that would inspire primal fear.
(I do have something planned for the Four Spirits and Ahtohallan, but that’s another entry.)
What do you think?
There Goes the Bride
For me and other Frozen fans who have read Dangerous Secrets, we have learned about Agnarr and Iduna’s pasts as well as small, yet simultaneously crucial, pieces of information about Runeard and Rita regarding their marriage.
Despite Runeard having only a few lines in said book, what Agnarr reveals about his father strengthens what I have believed he was just from his short time on screen and key lines in Frozen II, and that he was just as bad, if not worse, than I initially thought he was. First of all, given that he was revealed to be a very distant, neglectful husband, I strongly believe that Runeard never cared about marrying for love or saw marriage as a partnership based on love and devotion. Due to his status as a king, the only benefit he saw from marriage was that it would increase his political status and power, which he knew would be done by him marrying a princess from another country so that their kingdoms could form an alliance and then he could use the alliance to his advantage.
Now I have said this before, but I want to mention it again: based on his sneer, scowl, and gruff voice in which he speaks in the scene below, it’s perfectly clear to me Runeard saw himself as a supreme being who was above everyone else by being a king. Since was in the highest social rank place and had more power than anyone else in society, he believed he was better and smarter than everyone else, and hated the idea of anyone or anything being better or more powerful than him (which included magic).
As a result of his feelings regarding his status, Runeard discriminated everyone else as being beneath him based on their social class, race, and even gender. He was also bigoted towards magic, and so he held great wrath and bigotry towards the Northuldra just for following magic. At the same time, Runeard also was prejudiced towards the tribe for their race and social class, making him a racist and classist at the same time. And while I think Gaston is the Disney Villain who is the best example of a misogynist, I also think Runeard had a degree of misogyny and sexism towards women.
Following their marriage, Runeard never saw Rita as a person or as his partner, but as his possession and personal property to what he could do whatever he pleased. While Gaston believed that a married woman is supposed to be her husband’s slave and sex object, I don’t think that Runeard saw Rita as his personal slave since they did have servants who did and would do any and all manual tasks and labor for them in their castle home. However, similar to Gaston’s beliefs that married women must obey orders and commands their husbands give them, I do think Runeard expected Rita to do whatever he told her to do, to obey any order he gave her without argument or defiance, just because she was his wife. As her husband, Runeard saw himself as Rita’s superior while she was his inferior. He believed that she must honor and respect him as a wife should honor and respect her husband like the marriage vows say, though it’s not hard to determine he never extended her the same courtesies.
In summary, despite her own rank as a queen, Runeard viewed Rita as being beneath him, not only because she is a woman, but because he believed a queen is still below a king in status. He refused to treat her as an equal partner and felt her only significance to him was to bear him an heir who would succeed him as Arendelle’s ruler.
Based on what Pabbie and Gerda revealed about Rita growing homesick and depressed over missing her kingdom and her old life during the years she was married, and Runeard growing impatient with her instead of being understanding, it’s easy to figure out that Runeard was everything but a wonderful husband. He may have given her all the lavish gifts, riches, and material goods one could ever want, but even that was never out of true love, affection, or kindness on his part. The fact that she was completely completely cut off from her country shows that Runeard utilized two typical abuser's tactics with Rita: isolation and control. Due to her prolonged grief from missing her home, she probably never even went back to visit because Runeard completely forbade her from doing so. But just why would he have forbidden her from visiting her home? Perhaps because he believed that if Rita went back, she would never return to him. Now of course, it would never have been out of care or concern for her, but in seeing her as his property, Runeard adamantly wanted to have total control over Rita and deny her any basic rights. He probably would say or did say to her, "You're mine! You are my wife, and you are going to stay here with me!" Such a thought goes to show that Runeard used other typical abuser's tactics of domination and possessiveness with Rita.
Whether Runeard ever physically abused Rita is unknown, but given that he was driven to extreme measures of violence when he murdered the Northuldra leader years later, I don’t think it’s a far-fetched idea. Despite appearing calm and composed in public, largely to protect his false image of benevolence and kindness, I have a hunch that in private, Runeard would explode into a violent rage when angered. If he ever became angry at Rita, I think he would get violent and physically assault her, especially if he felt that doing so would “put her in her place”. I even wonder if Runeard ever tried to beat Agnarr when he was angry with him, but Rita would step in and take the beating herself because she loved Agnarr so much and did not want Runeard to hurt their son.
Given the chances that his abuse towards Rita bordered towards physicality, combined with everything else he did and didn’t do to make her so unhappy, I believe that she went to the trolls to have her memories erased so she would consequently have the will to freely leave Runeard because he never would have allowed her to leave him otherwise. In other words, if Rita attempted to run away and announced to Runeard that she was leaving, including by packing her things as she announced her intention to leave, Runeard would have prevented her from leaving by getting physical, including beating her severely. But could his abuse have been bad enough that he would he have killed Rita to permanently prevent her from leaving? Yes, I think Runeard would definitely have killed Rita if he caught her trying to leave him (and make it appear to be an accident), because he wouldn't have accepted it or allowed it to happen. Since Runeard didn’t like anything that challenged or threatened his power and authority, he wouldn’t have accepted or allowed Rita to challenge him by confronting him, standing up to him, and trying to leave him.
And so when Rita could no longer take living with Runeard due to his cruelty and abuse, she went to the trolls and had Pabbie remove all memories of her family and life in Arendelle. The other major reason she did this was so she could live with having to leave Agnarr behind; though she wanted to take him with her, she realized that doing so would cause Runeard to come after them. He would stop at nothing to prevent her from escaping with his only heir, and Agnarr’s life would be put in great danger. Therefore, the best choice Rita felt she could make to keep Agnarr safe was for him to remain in Arendelle.
What became of Rita after she fled is unknown, as it wasn’t made clear if she returned to her home or simply vanished into the dark and started a new life as a nomad. It is also not made clear how Runeard discovered that Rita left him and how he realized magic was connected to her leaving him. Regardless, once Rita left him, Runeard no longer had any power over her and couldn’t do anything about it. I have total confidence that the situation made him enraged since he had lost control over something he wanted to control with all the power he had and could muster, and especially so because magic, which is something that he cannot control, was involved with her disappearance.
Once he knew Rita was gone and was not going to return, Runeard became in complete denial that he had been an awful husband and was the only person to blame for her departure. He took the easy way out by claiming that she was carried off by evil spirits, scapegoating and blaming magic, the thing he detested most in the world, just so he could avoid taking responsibility for something wrong he did.
what are elsa's LEAST favorite things about arendelle? // @delusionland
My initial instinct was to say, nothing. But that’s not true. Els would have dislikes. But, they’re not things that she’d voice often. For instance, she doesn’t like the throne room of the palace as the throne itself symbolizes that she’s queen. She has to sit upon it and make decisions and that’s something she doesn’t like. It’s the room itself and what it represents that she doesn’t like but she still goes into it for formal things like when she’s hearing audiences.
She doesn’t like how standoffish her subjects are to her and this stems from the fact that when Anna is present and she sees the people of Arendelle interact with Anna, they’re more relaxed. However, it’s canon (in novels) that whenever Elsa is present, things before more “formal” and more awkward. The joyous tone and chatter that people have when Anna is near shifts drastically and that actually upsets and puts Elsa off. She idealizes and covets having the same bond with her people as Anna and though she functionally understands that’s not possible because of her status as queen, she desires it even so which is ultimately selfish, but she is allowed selfish desires. The formal tone in her presence is something she dislikes to that end. She wants to be approachable and seen as fun and cherished like Anna is.
Ultimately, Elsa loves Arendelle but these are more sublte details and not things....specific to Arendelle that she hates. But these were the first two things that actively come to mind. As, just like Anna, she does love her home and her kingdom. Though if we’re speaking post frozen 2 then she would naturally hate the Arendellian legacy her family as left behind as that is a very disgustingly racist legacy that was aimed towards suppressing Northuldra, but that is a whole other issue that I have touched on repeatedly. Ultimately, everything Arendelle stands for is a lie built up on racist practices towards the Northuldra. But that’s systematic and institutionalized racism and will take centuries to dismantle because of what King Runeard did.
Agnarr: Why won't you love me, father? I'll be anything you want me to be!
Runeard: I want you to be dead.
Hello, Goodbye Dolly
In Olaf’s Frozen Adventure, audiences were briefly introduced to Sir JorgenBjorgen, a stuffed knitted puffin doll that was a toy Elsa owned in her childhood and kept as her companion during the years she and Anna were kept apart. Then when Elsa grew up, Sir JorgenBjorgen was stored away in her trunk, which was later placed in the attic.
When the prequel novel Dangerous Secrets was released in November 2020, it was revealed that Sir JorgenBjorgen had been around a lot longer than fans had thought. Over 40 years earlier, the doll was created by Queen Rita as a toy for her baby son, Prince Agnarr. Sir JorgenBjorgen was Agnarr’s favorite toy and always brought a smile to his face. When Rita fled the kingdom after having her memories wiped by Pabbie, Runeard locked up all of her belongings and anything that reminded him of her. However, he did not know about Sir JorgenBjorgen, and Gerda secretly saved it and hid it from him, waiting for the chance to return it to Agnarr one day.
Ever since I read Dangerous Secrets and learned that this doll originally came from Rita and belonged to Agnarr, I got to thinking about what Runeard would have done with it had he known about it. Firstly, if he discovered Sir JorgenBjorgen when Agnarr played with it as a child, and with this, I mean before Rita left, I have a strong hunch would have disapproved of the doll, and enough so that he would have taken it away from Agnarr.
Why? Because I get the impression that Runeard would have thought that dolls, regardless of dolls being depicted as male or female, were only for girls, not boys. Therefore, I think he would have been outraged by the idea of his own son playing with a doll. Heck, Runeard probably also would have thought that boys who do or once did play with dolls are weak and inept, and thus are not or never would be real men. If he had truly hoped to mold Agnarr into the same cold, ruthless man/king he was, then I have no doubt Runeard would have seen Agnarr as weak for owning and playing with a doll, and taken Sir JorgenBjorgen away from him.
But there’s more to it than just that; as mentioned by a line in the prologue of the Frozen II novelization and an almost verbatim line quote by Agnarr in Dangerous Secrets, during the gathering in the Enchanted Forest, Agnarr knows that his father wanted him to act like a royal figure instead of a boy. In other words, even though Agnarr was 14 and still legally a child, Runeard only saw his son as a prince rather than as a person, and always wanted him to act royally only. He did not want him to act or behave like a normal person, meaning he never wanted Agnarr to act like a non-monarch, and thus, like a child, ever.
Therefore, Runeard additionally wouldn’t have wanted Agnarr to have Sir JorgenBjorgen because he would think that owning a doll is childish and Agnarr was not supposed to behave like a child even when he was one.
However, if Runeard discovered Sir JorgenBjorgen after Rita left, I don't think he would have simply hid it away with everything else; I think he would have burned it or permanently disposed of it through some other means.
Now why do I think Runeard would go such an extreme measure, you may ask? Because it would have been a guaranteed way for him to completely deny Agnarr any memories of Rita and sever anything that tied him to her. Agnarr had said that after his mother disappeared, his father constantly scolded and shouted at him for crying and being sad about her absence. This shows that Runeard had a total lack of sympathy for his son’s sadness (just as he did for Rita when she became so depressed over missing her home) and a ruthless determination, if not obsession, to get Agnarr to completely forget about Rita.
I feel it's one thing for Runeard to have locked away all the things that belonged to or reminded him of Rita so he could forget about her himself, and another for him to immediately banish anyone who spoke her name so that his people would attempt to forget her, too. But if he discovered anything that linked her to their son? Again, based on how he coldly chastised Agnarr for wallowing in sadness over Rita when she was gone, it is crystal clear to me that Runeard wanted Agnarr to forget her, too. Therefore, he would have had Sir JorgenBjorgen destroyed just so that Agnarr would have absolutely nothing left of her.
But luckily, Runeard never knew about Sir JorgenBjorgen, and Gerda successfully hid it from him before returning it to Agnarr when he was an adult.
And then years later, Agnarr gave the doll to Elsa to keep her company during her separation from Anna.
While we have yet to know what Rita was like, what she looked like, or what became of her when she fled the kingdom, at least we know there is still a keepsake and reminder of her in Arendelle Castle. And even though Elsa is no longer the queen of Arendelle, I am hoping that Sir JorgenBjorgen will become a childhood toy for one or more Anna’s children and any other future descendants of the former queen of Arendelle.
While Runeard won’t be fondly remembered by his family due to the revelation of his betrayal to the Northuldra, what little they know about Rita will be forever cherished through Sir JorgenBjorgen. 😄😉
How the Mighty Have Fallen
While there have been a number of main antagonists from the Disney animated canon who die, only six of them have fallen to their deaths. Two fall-to-deaths occur for two Disney villains outside of WDAS, that being Queen Narissa from the live action/animation hybrid Enchanted, and Charles Muntz from the Pixar film Up.
Again, my dear buddy and little soul sis @minerva-warner came up with this title, and I see it as fitting since the Disney villains who die by falling from great heights perceive themselves as mighty people, with three of them being ruthless, cunning, murderous hunters/poachers, and the other five being cruel, ruthless, sadistic, murderous tyrants.
Thanks again, sis! I love you, and enjoy this new analysis! 😁😊❤️
The Evil Queen - The first villain from the first Disney animated feature film, the evil queen is the one who started this trope when she falls off a cliff to her death. After successfully poisoning Snow White with an apple, the dwarfs arrive home and see her. As it rains heavily, they pursue the queen until she becomes trapped at a dead end cliff on a rocky mountain. As she tries to roll an enormous boulder down the mountain to crush them, a sudden bolt of lightning strikes the ledge of the cliff and destroys the portion holding the queen, causing her to fall hundreds of feet below to her death. The boulder tumbles down after her, crushing her body and ensuring her demise.
Ratigan - With an almost fifty-year gap between their respective films, Ratigan is the first Disney villain since the evil queen to die by falling from a great height. After crashing his blimp into Big Ben with Olivia and Basil in tow, Ratigan chases after them and engages in a fight with Basil, which takes place on the clock’s hands. When the bell rings upon the clock striking ten, the vibration knocks Ratigan off balance and off the hand. He catches onto and takes Basil and a piece of the blimp with him as he falls. However, while Basil manages to escape using the blimp piece, Ratigan plummets into the abyss below to his death.
Percival C. McLeach - After falling into Crocodile Falls while trying to shoot the rope holding Cody (so he can fall into the river and be eaten by crocodiles), McLeach travels so far down the river that he ends up getting caught in the current, causing him to plummet over the waterfall to his death.
Gaston - Upon seeing the Beast climb up the castle’s balcony to embrace Belle, Gaston follows and stabs him in the back with his knife while dangling from the balcony. Because he is so focused on having just stabbed the Beast while preparing to do it again to eliminate him once and for all, Gaston does not appear to realize the dangerous spot in which he has put himself. But when the Beast swings his arm backward at him in pain, Gaston’s attempt to dodge it makes him lose his balance and grip before he falls off the castle and down into the ravine below to his death.
Claude Frollo - While trying to kill Quasimodo and Esmeralda inside Notre Dame, Frollo gets himself in a perfect position to kill the latter (as she is attempting to save the former) by standing on a gargoyle as he raises his sword. But before he delivers the killing strike, the gargoyle starts to break off, causing Frollo to lose his balance and drop his sword, though he manages to cling on to the gargoyle for dear life. In his last moments, the gargoyle comes to life and demonically roars at Frollo, terrifying the latter. The gargoyle then breaks off completely and sends Frollo falling to his fiery death into a vast lake of molten copper that had earlier been poured on to the street by Quasimodo and the gargoyles. This symbolically shows that Frollo has been condemned to Hell for his crimes.
King Runeard - During the war he instigates between the Arendellians and the Northuldra after murdering the tribe leader in secret, Runeard becomes so wrapped up in fighting one Northuldran that he apparently does not even notice when their fighting leads to them approaching a cliff. But when the Northuldran attempts to dodge him, Runeard stumbles and loses his footing and balance, then he hits the man as he begins to fall over him, which pushes both of them over the cliff and plunges them down into the depths below to their deaths. Unlike his predecessors, Runeard dies very early in the movie, with the war and his death happening over 30 years before the events of the film takes place, and long before anyone (even the audience) knows that he is the true villain of the story.
Queen Narissa - Narissa transforms into a dragon (per inspiration by Maleficent, who I mention below) and takes Robert captive while fighting Giselle on the spire of the Woolworth Building. When Pip, Giselle’s chipmunk friend, climbs on to Narissa’s head, his weight causes the spire to bend, making Narissa lose her grip and drop Robert (who is saved by Giselle). She falls on to another part of the building, but just as quickly loses her grip on it and continues to fall hundreds of feet below where she dies in a shining explosion upon hitting the ground, leaving nothing but her viscous, glowing remains.
Charles Muntz - During the climax. Muntz confronts Carl and Kevin and they fight while Russell is left at the house surrounded by three dog-piloted planes that Muntz sent to take them down. Dug, Russell, and Kevin make their way to Carl's floating house with Muntz in pursuit, trying to bring down the house with a hunting rifle. He makes his way into the house and tries to shoot them with his rifle, but Carl lures Kevin out of the house with a bar of chocolate, knocking away the rifle, while Dug and Russell are on her back. When Muntz leaps out of the window after them to grab hold, his foot gets entangled in some balloon strings, and when they snap, they drag Muntz thousands of feet below to his death. Muntz’s death makes him the third Pixar villain to die, and the first one to fall to his death.
In the animated canon, there are a few Disney villains who fall down and die, but the fall is not what causes their deaths. Rather, they fall and meet their demise through some other means shortly afterwards.
Maleficent - In her dragon form, as Maleficent corners Phillip on a ledge during their battle, she blasts the Shield of Virtue out of his hand, leaving him defenseless. However, the three fairies then immediately empower the Sword of Truth and Phillip throws it into Maleficent’s heart, fatally wounding her. Weakened by the stabbing, Maleficent collapses on to the ledge, with her body’s weight causing it to crumble beneath her, and she dissolves into dark purple smoke. When Phillip looks down at the ground, all that remains of Maleficent is her shredded cloak, plus the Sword of Truth, still embedded in the cloak, turning black, having its enchantment worn off.
Scar - While dueling with Simba on the top of Pride Rock, Scar strikes him down and leaps over to him to release the killing strike. However, Simba uses his hind legs to throw Scar over the ledge and down to the base of the formation. Scar survives the fall, but is immediately surrounded by the hyenas (following the main trio having overheard his betrayal and alerted the others), and they quickly advance on him and brutally maul him to death as flames surround them.
Hades - Following Hercules’s successful rescue of Meg’s soul in the River Styx and becoming a god for it, Hades tries to smooth talk him into making another deal. In his rage, Hercules punches Hades off the precipice on which they are standing and into the river, where he is dragged into its depths by the souls trapped within. Hades presumably remains trapped in the river afterwards, though it cannot kill him due to his immortality.
Clayton - While fighting Tarzan up in the trees, Clayton pulls out his machete after Tarzan takes and smashes his gun. Tarzan jumps back to escape Clayton's furious swipes, ensnaring Clayton in a mass of vines. As Clayton mindlessly slashes the vines, one of them slips and coils around his neck like a noose. When he inadvertently hacks the final vine holding him up, Clayton and Tarzan are sent plummeting towards the ground. Tarzan lands safely, but Clayton vainly struggles to free himself and is hanged by the vine, which snaps his neck and instantly kills him. A flash of lightning briefly illuminating the tree behind Tarzan displays the gruesome shadow of Clayton’s hanging, lifeless body. This makes his death scene one of the most graphic in Disney's animated history, even for villains. Due to this, it is often rewritten in printed media that Clayton merely fell to his death rather than being hanged.
Gothel - Once Flynn cuts Rapunzel’s hair, the magic disappears and the hair turns from blonde to brown. Due to the loss of the magic that kept her young and alive for hundreds of years, Gothel’s true age quickly catches up to her and kills her. This all begins before Pascal trips her, causing her to fall out the tower’s window. By the time her cloak hits the ground, dust is all that remains of Gothel.
A new theory about what would be a “Frozen 3 ″ storyline:
In short it is: "Agnarr has a lost evil brother who returns to Arendelle to claim the throne and fight Anna"... I honestly don't know much to say when theories like that emerge. The idea would be based on the legend "The Lay of Grimnir" that has a character named Agnarr in it.
Being quite honest if there is a "Frozen 3" I want the ghost of Agnarr and Iduna not to interfere in the plot as it was with F2. I want F3 to be a story focused on the changes that happened in Anna and Elsa's relationship after the end of F2 (living apart from one another, Anna starting a family with Kristoff, Elsa maybe addressing her romantic life, etc.) and that if the subject of Agnarr and Iduna is mentioned that they do not become important for the events that take place, that they are used at most as advisers for some attitude of the two women, nothing more than that.
But I can't say that the idea of an "evil uncle" that comes out of nowhere and alters something already defined in the franchise (such as being responsible for sabotage on Agnarr and Iduna's ship) would be something that Disney wouldn't do. F2 already has some retcons. It's just Jennifer Lee giving an interview saying: “when we finish F2 a lot of people start asking us what is King Runeard's past, if he has other family members” then some crazy plot twist like an “evil uncle” arises from ash to F3.
And let's agree that this is a plot that is still little explored. If I remember correctly, Agnarr's cousin appears in a comic and that's it. In "Dangerous Secrets" Queen Rita's fate is a mystery, we know that Agnarr knows that she returned to her kingdom after leaving Arendelle, but wouldn't he really look for her after discovering her fate? I'm not saying that she would appear on an F3 (this plot is much more likely to be covered in a new book), but I really don't know how much Jennifer Lee would consider a book that she helped create when she develops the plot for a future film.
Although I find this theory about an “evil uncle” very stupid, at least it is not another theory about Anna discovering magical powers or something like that. I have to give credit for that.
First we have all Runeard scenes, since he has the least appearances:
(In the bedtime story he is just silhouettes)
NOTE: You can't see Mattias, Runeard or anyone else in the library paintings (during Charades).
Also, there is no scene of Runeard tapping baby Agnarr's chin (which is a shame because that was their best scene in my opinion)
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As soon as Mattias sees the sword, you can see him charging in HERE
Next is the Olaf recap, (you can see them in 3 tiny reaction bubbles) HERE
I used to believe Runeard was like Seti from Prince of Egypt
Then Dangerous Secrets came out.
Now I believe Runeard is like Ozai from Avatar: The Last Airbender