Anti-shippers will really hear about the unmistakable links between radfems/TERFs/SWERFs and anti-shipping ideology and despite having any number of them in their DNI will still be more amenable to their ideology than to pro-shipping. I definitely suspect that there’s a non-insignificant amount of people who have radfems/TERFs/SWERFs in their DNI that could for all intents and purposes be considered as being part of that ideology themselves, they just don’t have enough self-awareness to realize it.
This is not about just me as a Lukanette shipper. There is gonna be a bit of literature (basically me Louisa May Alcott fangirling) and some Marvel involved, hehe. And mostly comparable to a ship that did become canon, where we saw the characters grow old together in the sequels of the novel as well.
If you've read classic books, and watched lots of media, you would know about Little Women, Agents of Shield, and other classic books where we had female lead characters who end up in sweet relationships that are usually not with their first lover.
In Little Women, Jo refuses to marry Laurie (a rich sheltered boy, conventionally attractive, who doesn't mind chaos but can be really sweet and kind sometimes, hmm wonder who that sounds like 👀) but gets together with Professor Bhaer, a man who loves writing like Jo, shares things in common with Jo and they both act as a calm to each other's storms. He encourages her to be herself and write in her natural style, rather than conforming to what other people wanted and to specific genres. While most people prefer she ended up with Laurie, it doesn't make Laurie and Jo anymore compatible. (It will be explained eventually)
Rose in 'Rose in Bloom' also has a love interest, (who's rich, a handsome man who a lot of women swoon for, raised by a single parent, rather spoiled, but still very much lovable despite his flaws). However she ends up with Mac, a nerd who's considered wise for his age and is socially awkward.
Louisa May Alcott was a feminist writer and wrote the above two books. She tried to display men in her works as vulnerable, warm men, with a tender capacity to express affection, and hoped things like these would be achieved in a more feminist world. This is shown through Professor Bhaer and Mac, and even Laurie after he had character development and married Amy, Jo's sister.
Then a show most people would know: Marvel's Agents of Shield.
Daisy Johnson/Skye/Quake's endgame love interest, Daniel Sousa was also a mature, kind man, passionate about his field (that could be said of all the above endgame male love interests actually) and gave peace to Daisy in a relationship (for crying out loud, she had a good one that didn't end in tragedy my lords). Also despite their relationship having the least amount of episodes, they had the most impact.
What is my point comparing other shows and even books to MLB?
Adrien, being the first love interest character, is usually the one we expect to get with the MC but plot twist! They don't get together. They either remain as good friends.... or the male character dies... (RIP Charlie and Lincoln...)
Luka's character type is typically usually the endgame love interest, in these plot twists. Appearing much later than the rest of the main characters? Check. Provides a peaceful and loving relationship to the protagonist? Check. A DORK? Check. Has a particular passion/hobby that they may share to some extent with the MC? Check! Wise/mature? Check!
Basically, in placing Adrien/Cat Noir as a love interest, they ended up backtracking on the "feminism" as well. Having the MC go absolutely bonkers for the secondary character for really basic reasons like one time kindness, (that anyone could have given to her), and 'being hot', and having her to one day say yes to a guy who won't stop persisting her? To be honest, it's kinda funny an authoress from the 1800's unintentionally pointed out what's wrong with such a ship.
Now thinking about that, let's analyse Jo and Laurie's relationship, somewhat similar to Ladynoir/Adrienette in a way.
“…I shall never stop loving you; but the love is altered, and I have learned to see that it is better as it is. Amy (his fiancée) and you changed places in my heart, that’s all. I think it was meant to be so, and would have come about naturally, if I had waited, as you tried to make me; but I never could be patient, and so I got a heartache. I was a boy then, headstrong and violent; and it took a hard lesson to show me my mistake.
(Laurie to Jo post falling in love with Amy)
· Laurie keeps pursuing Jo, also getting depressed/angry over her not returning his feelings for her, basically and is shown to be acting like an entitled man child in the book.
· Jo is affectionate to Laurie as she sees him as her brother,, not a romantic interest (she also strongly shipped him with her sisters so he could be connected to the family somehow, lol) . However it's possible he took it a bit in the wrong way.
Also Jo addresses the issue in the novel, which... for some reason is ignored by the fandom and their shipping goggles? They brought out the worst in each other, and were both temperamentally not good for each other romantically. Kinda like Adrienette and Ladynoir, where Marinette is just. plain awful and Chat acts like a jerk.
· After Laurie goes away on a tour of the world and also to decide a career after being rejected yet again by Jo, she has a moment where she thinks she loves him back.
· This however is also backed by her sister's death, the others marrying and leaving the house, and the fact that she just wants intimacy with someone at the moment and doesn't care who it would be. Her mom helps her realise this.
· She later on also falls in love and marries Bhaer (she gets called Momma Bhaer by her kids, oml it's so fricking wholesome I could cry), and they maintain their close, wholesome friendship with each other even as adults! (We see this especially in the two sequels, Little Men and Jo's Boys) 🥺
· A majority of the fandom ships them after seeing the recent movie, mostly because they haven't really read the book and read what Louisa Alcott wanted them to see. Louisa knew what she wanted to portray, and what she portrayed for me, was healthy and mature.
The back track on feminism here in MLB is, no one cares what the female main protagonist wants herself, they support a person who strongly loves someone and thinks they are "deserving" of their love back. The issue with this is that it's infatuation and entitlement, and not love. It doesn't make Adrien a predator, but... it still makes him entitled (he can grow from it however, like Laurie). Also the fact that the main female is being written like shit and like a puppet dragged by their strings pretty much shows how bad the show's writing is, presently. I do not see how people are not grossed out by Marinette and her several humiliating situations that she lands herself in, without any character development. Even Jo landed herself in problematic situations, but she actually grew out of them and strived to be better.
The fact that such a ship is endgame in this show makes it less girl power, more of "giving in to the male entitlement", actually.
Bhaer is very dissimilar to Luka, but there are parallels:
Passionate about their work but also not planning to make a huge career out of it: Luka doesn't want to be musician (according to the official site at least) but loves music. Bhaer loves writing but is a teacher but does play a mentor role to Jo in her writing. He also teaches her German (he's a German immigrant and passionate about the language) which can be comparable to how Luka teaches Mari the guitar.
Eccentric quiet people
Sees the protagonist for themselves, and doesn't put them on a pedestral, like the other love interest.
Shares qualities with them
Honest to the T.
Most of the time hated on by the fandom.
A quote by actress Melodie Ellison about Friedrich in the fandom, to sum the hate up:
I think part of why people act like Friedrich is not attractive is because of the well known Louisa May Alcott quote about intentionally making a funny match for Jo. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she didn’t quite mean that. Laurie was conventionally attractive. There are men in our current times that fall into that same category—men like Zac Efron, for example. If you were to ask me what I think of Zac Efron I’d tell you he’s handsome, but.... I’m not personally attracted to him. Like Jo, I prefer my men bearded and a little stout, but most importantly intelligent, hard working, and kind. I think folks who can't accept an older, less hot version of the professor failed to understand his and Jo’s relationship. She respected him and he her, and for her that was the ultimate in sexiness.
By respect, it means they saw each other, as in saw each other.
TLDR: Basically, Luka/Lukanette having parallels to the most underrated and lovable characters and ships in media, mainly a ship from the 1800's in Little Women which became endgame, was written beautifully, and shows why Lukanette would be wholesome and lovable, and why they would work extremely well together. And why Adrienette and Jo x Laurie is incompatible.
Also just me nerding about Louisa May Alcott and her writing because it's amazing.
Daily reminder that you're ship is valid
No matter what it is ♥️
You're ship is valid and always will be
"I'm not ableist, I'm disabled myself!" Yeah, okay. You're still calling other people a slur in a demeaning way, so shut the fuck up.
"I ship Dramione!" "I ship Snamione!" "I ship Tomione!"
Y'all really hate Hermione huh
Me: thought crime doesn't exist. No one deserves to be treated differently for thinking that two fictional characters would be cute together. As long as your not hurting anyone else, anything goes. Also me: I cannot possibly reblog content of this fictional pairing I enjoy because without context it'll look super fucked up.
Fictional characters do not groom people. Fictional content is not made for the express purpose of grooming people. If you see art of a ‘problematic’ ship between two fictional characters on your dashboard or in your feed, you aren’t being groomed. Fiction is not the cause of grooming - that’s a fact that I’m sure many antis are going to be quite displeased with me saying.
People groom people. That’s the way it has been and always will be. Now, I’m not trying to say that predators don’t sometimes use fictional content ( such as art, fanfictions, things like that ) to groom their victims - I’m just trying to say that fiction in itself is not going to groom anyone. If you were to use that logic, then you really couldn’t watch fictional movies. You couldn’t read fictional novels or fanfictions - nothing like that. You couldn’t watch basically 95% of things on television. Because if you do any of that, then you would be allowing yourself to be groomed by fiction.
Do you see how stupid that sounds?
Some people on here really like to act as though any time they see something that they don’t like on their feed ( usually some sort of fictional content like art or people talking about they ships they like ), they’re being groomed and that the person that posted whatever they’re seeing is instantly a predator. That is not grooming. Seeing content that you don’t enjoy does not mean that you are being groomed. I’m sick and tired of seeing antis throw around words that they don’t even know the true meaning of. How they accuse literally everyone that they don’t personally like ( mainly proshippers ) of being predators and of grooming children all for the fact that they so much as have “proship” in their bio. It’s wrong, it’s harmful, and false accusations like that can fuck someone up for life in certain cases.
This is coming from someone that was often accused of grooming because of the fact that on Twitter I would openly post about the ships I liked. From someone who has been doxxed over being a proshipper because apparently that makes me a “threat to minors”. From someone who has been nonstop harassed and sent death threats nearly every day of my life for the past two years straight. From someone that was literally reported to the police ( granted the cops didn’t do anything because of how bullshit the report was, but it still happened ) because I was called a predator for being proship. Trust me when I say I know how much these false allegations and accusations can harm someone on the internet.
There are disgusting people in this world - actual predators that seek out children and will groom them for their own sick desires and such. Proshippers are not inherently those people. Content creators are not inherently those people. Just because someone may draw art of ‘problematic’ ships or fictional content, that doesn’t make them a predator.
Stop accusing innocent people of being groomers and predators. Don’t throw around words that you don’t know the actual meaning of. And for the love of god, stop acting like death threats and harassment are justifiable in any context.
Anyway happy belated fathers day to all the dads that fill their sons asses with cummies! <3
Pro-shippers rlly b like “anti’s don’t interact with me” and then go out of their way to harass a literal teenager for being anti pro shipper :)
How would your ship try to ground the other?
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if you are a billy apologist, leave!
if you ship billy with anything other than death, leave!
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Update: June 21st, 2021
Added Anthro/Furry Stuff, and Interspecies topics! Shame on you for not asking for it sooner!! /j
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Those who age-up their F/O? nice.
Those who age-up their very old F/O? Nice.
Those who age-down their F/O? NICE.
Those who age-down their very young F/O?